00:29:38 Michael Alverson: Significant echo in audio 00:30:51 Edward Thomas: Note: I was able to go to google history and use yesterday's link to get here. If anyone queries on how to connect, that'll work. 00:35:32 Edward Thomas: @David Knight drop both donate links in here please 00:36:49 greg otterman: great to see you David D 00:38:00 Peter Trudelle: Reacted to "@David Knight drop b..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 00:44:29 Paul Cummings: Good morning 00:48:43 MC Armstrong: Glad you're bringing up Krulak, Dory. This is good stuff. Do you agree with Krulak that Lansdale (wildly opposed to JFK on Vietnam) was in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63? 00:57:43 Paul Cummings: Richard Helms is likely a candidate 01:11:49 mahaf: Terrific present. Clear and understandable! 01:12:30 Peter Trudelle: Reacted to "Terrific present. Cl..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:13:27 John Halleran: Reacted to "Terrific present. Cl..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:13:35 Jimmy Langkop: Dory, Outstanding graphics and presentation!!! Thank you for making your remarkable research so visual. 01:20:26 Edward Thomas: @dentond Can you share that document of max taylor 1964. We cannot see the docs on zoom. 01:23:48 Chad Ford: David we're not seeing the documents you are referring to. Still stuck on the very first slide 01:24:19 Paul Cummings: Reacted to "David we're not seei..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:27:38 MC Armstrong: Guilty 01:28:52 Dory Wiley: Matt - absolutely. we have at least four people that say Landsdale was there including Landsdale's wife!! 01:29:05 Bill: Still on 1st slide, 45 of 56 01:29:16 MC Armstrong: Reacted to Matt - absolutely. w... with "๐Ÿ‘" 01:29:19 Dory Wiley: Reacted to "Terrific present. Clear and understandable!" with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:29:33 Dory Wiley: Reacted to "Dory, Outstanding graphics and presentation!!! Thank you for making your remarkable research so visual." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:30:12 MC Armstrong: Didn't Conein work with Lansdale, too? 01:33:37 Dory Wiley: he sure did Matt. he was primary liason for Lansdale in Diem Coup and literally in the room with the coup generals as it unfolded. they worked together on most all of Lansdale's SE Asia ops. 01:35:06 MC Armstrong: Well done, Dory and David! 01:35:17 Dory Wiley: Reacted to "Well done, Dory and David!" with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:35:21 MC Armstrong: Reacted to he sure did Matt. he... with "๐Ÿ‘" 01:36:07 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "Well done, Dory and ..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:37:43 Randy Broussard: Reacted to "Well done, Dory and ..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:38:21 David Knight: Here is the link to make a donation to: projectjfk.com on the home page scroll down to the Help our cause section and there is a donate now button there. 01:39:30 David Knight: Here is the link for the JFK Historical Group for making a donation: https://www.jfkhistorical.com/new-page 01:43:03 Larry Rivera: Portrait of a Scoundrel! 01:43:27 Dory Wiley: Reacted to "Portrait of a Scoundrel!" with ๐Ÿ‘ 01:44:20 Paul Cummings: Lois Gibson a forensic expert said she would stake her career that Chauncey Holt was the oldest looking Tramp 01:51:47 mahaf: Question of why US was in Vietnam - I maintain that 'anticommunism' was contrived reason. Agree with Casey that at bottom large scale defense contractors were the big recipients. Motivation was cold- bloodedly financial. - Shane Smith (name got mangled as mahaf) 01:58:31 Scott Edwards: Wasnโ€™t MAD really Brennan/Kahn rather than Kennedy? 02:00:52 Chad Nagle: Replying to "Lois Gibson a forens..." I think Lois might lose that one. Ray and Mary LaFontaine got some things wrong in their book, but they explained pretty convincingly that the oldest tramp was Gus Abrams, the one in front is Harold Doyle, and the tall one was Frank Gedney. However, itโ€™s been credibly asserted that Chauncey Holt was one of the people photographed with Oswald in New Orleans in front of the ITM. 02:04:33 Daniel Boudreau: National Security 263 vs 273 makes it pretty clear. 02:05:00 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "National Security 26..." with ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป 02:05:16 Chad Ford: Reacted to "National Security 26..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 02:06:03 Peter Trudelle: Didnโ€™t Prouty say US military started putting resources into Vietnam at end of WW2? 02:11:29 Edward Thomas: What does ACSI stand for? 02:20:25 mark bujdos: Czaikowski (Polish) is pronounced exactly the same way as Tchaikovsky the composer (Russian) 02:20:52 Larry Rivera: David the file I just dropped is the non-redacted version of David's previous slide 02:21:59 Paul Cummings: @Casey Quinlan could I get your email address? 02:24:33 Edward Thomas: Replying to "@Casey Quinlan could..." https://projectjfk.com/about-us; scroll down near bottom of page 02:30:17 Paul Cummings: Reacted to "https://projectjfk.c..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 02:35:25 Chad Nagle: Reacted to "Czaikowski (Polish) ..." with ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ 02:38:14 Paul Cummings: Replying to "@Casey Quinlan could..." ๐Ÿ‘ 02:39:10 Bart Kamp: And Nazis 02:40:59 Bart Kamp: https://i0.wp.com/www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/17492459_10208618136959069_7077595523045668601_o.jpg 02:41:47 joseph hanton: What does AMOTS stand for? 02:45:21 mark bujdos: Reacted to "And Nazis" with ๐Ÿ‘ 02:45:32 mark bujdos: Reacted to "https://i0.wp.com/ww..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 02:53:50 mark bujdos: You can hear Mamantov being Mamantov on the Marina Richarsdon wiretap tapes, in English. Very interesting. 03:08:10 mark bujdos: There's also abunch of stuff about Brandstetter in Albarelli's Coup in Dallas. 03:13:39 mark bujdos: Uris's novel Topaz was ghost written completel by Vosjouli. 03:16:37 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: The pseudonym "Maurice Bishop" never once appears in primary documents regarding Phillips. This alleged pseudonym appears with Veciana in the '70s. 03:17:04 Larry Rivera: Michael Choaden 03:17:27 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: Yeah, that one is authentic. 03:25:13 Chad Ford: @Bill Simpich What are your thoughts on Walt Brown's book "Treachery in Dallas"? I have it but haven't yet read it. Thank you! 03:27:01 Bill Simpich: Brownโ€™s book is very good - itโ€™s one of the few that focuses on the role of the Dallas police. After extensively researching the police, I would say that officers like Westbrook and Hill are the most visible members of the assassination team - most of the other officers are โ€œgoing along to get alongโ€ particularly after the death of Officer Tippit, but reflexively or consciously a number of them are part of the cover-up 03:27:43 Bill Simpich: Brown doesnโ€™t get into them as much, but he strings together many anecdotes that illustrate the DPD role. 03:30:33 Bill Simpich: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25528-lumpkin-gannaway-and-the-dpd-army-intelligence-network/ - this link offers my online discussion on the Lumpkin-Gannaway network 03:30:57 Chad Ford: Thank you very much! 03:31:16 Chad Ford: Reacted to "https://educationfor..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 03:31:57 mark bujdos: Reacted to "https://educationfor..." with โค๏ธ 03:32:46 Bill Simpich: Take a look at pages 1 and 7 of this link 03:34:38 Paul Cummings: Thanks Bill for providing your research on Ed Forum! It's greatly appreciated. 03:42:40 Chad Ford: Will do! Thank you Bill for sharing the link. I look forward to reading. 03:51:36 Chad Ford: Reacted to "Thanks Bill for prov..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 03:59:27 mahaf: Hi Casey! Just a shoutout - I went to a small seminar you hosted at the old Holiday Inn in Olathe in around 1991(?) Quite a lineup incl. Marina Oswald! 04:00:00 mark bujdos: "Morales and Harvey" would make a great 5Os I-Love-Lucy-like sitcom. 04:01:19 mark bujdos: The Slavic pseudonym Zamka fascinates me, can we postulate any origin story for it? 04:09:29 User: LR- what do you mean you found "scattered about"? was this in the JFK Collection? 04:11:33 User: @Larry Rivera does the doc about his family have a RIF #? 04:14:04 Paul Cummings: @Larry RiveraIs it true Morales had a daughter living in Dallas in 1963? 04:14:25 mark bujdos: Can we rule out racism for Morales' treatment? 04:15:00 mark bujdos: Reacted to "@Larry Rivera does t..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 04:18:27 Larry Rivera: All questions about Morales are in the file I just dropped. 04:26:39 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: David Boylan has a document showing Morales at JM/WAVE in Miami, issuing memo from WAVE under pseudo "Stanley Zamka" (in regard to the search for a suitable marine craft for an upcoming operation) on 11/22/63. Morales was in Miami on that day. 04:30:21 Scott Reid: @Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast Morales was in Miami on 11/22/63?? 04:32:34 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "104-10222-10019 new 2025 release OCR.pdf" with ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป 04:32:52 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: @Scott Reid just emailed David for the document. Hoping he's watching his email. Yes, Memo regarding the search for a boat/ship, under Morales' pseudo "Stanley Zamka" puts him at WAVE that day. 04:35:04 Scott Reid: Reacted to "@Scott Reid just ema..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 04:43:10 User: @Chad Nagle excellent! you were not inferring that CIA told Luna they couldn't find the Heath Site Reps, right? 04:45:02 User: @David Knight is chad's screen frozen? 04:45:19 Chad Nagle: My screen hasnโ€™t worked since I hit escape. 04:45:29 Chad Nagle: Iโ€™m still here but you canโ€™t see me. 04:45:51 Chad Nagle: Replying to "@Chad Nagle excellen..." I was inferring that, yes. Thatโ€™s what I heard. They couldnโ€™t find the Heath records. 04:46:42 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: @Scott Reid Zamka (Morales) at WAVE on 11/22/63. He is asked to locate a document, but cannot find it. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=31773#relPageId=2&search=Zamka 04:47:05 Ray Travers: Chad you may need to log off, and log back in. 04:47:11 User: Morales involvement would undercut the argument that this was intended faill. 04:47:51 Chad Nagle: Replying to "Chad you may need to..." Does that mean leaving the chat and returning? 04:47:59 Ray Travers: Replying to "Morales involvement ..." Not at all. I would suggest quite the contrary. 04:48:51 Ray Travers: Not at all. I would suggest quite the contrary. 04:50:01 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: @Scott Reid Do not misunderstand; my conviction is that Morales may very well have been one of (2) Primary Organizers of the paramilitary aspects of the operation in Dallas, yes. But he was in Miami at Zero Hour. 04:51:03 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: @Scott Reid Thanks to my buddy David Boylan for the document link, and quality initial analysis. 04:51:51 Scott Reid: @Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast I do understand your position. 04:52:04 Scott Reid: Reacted to "@Scott Reid Thanks t..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 04:52:47 Doug Campbell- The DALLAS ACTION Podcast: I have to agree. Grayston Lynch and Rip Robertson would never have gona ashore had they had any inkling that the intent was failure. 04:55:55 mahaf: Re ; the BOP failure one would think the CIA intel on Castro forces and their placement was awful. Like almost criminally inadequate. 05:00:06 Larry Schnapf: I don't think had many "staybehinds", Castro likely killed a lot of our sources and there was an abundance of hubris/arrogance on the part of Bissell et al on their capabilities and judgement- in part because of Guatelama 05:05:45 Larry Schnapf: What's more interesting and important is the evidence that Harvey and Roselli were together in Miami in April 1963. Harvey charged QJWIN for dinner and first class air travel to Chicago for non-official Americans. this was when he was no longer running Task Force W 05:05:54 Scott Reid: Some have speculated that QJWIN was more than one individual. 05:06:09 Larry Rivera: Reacted to "Some have speculated..." with ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป 05:06:44 Ray Travers: Replying to "Some have speculated..." Yes. Good point Scott. 05:08:36 Jack Reid: The 2025 release is now searchable at archives.gov. Under the search bar is a little note that reads: "The AI Search Tool uses semantic search to deliver search results. AI-generated results are not guaranteed to be comprehensive or accurate." I've been using it for a few weeks, and it's quite good. 05:09:54 Scott Reid: An "Oswald" was based in Madrid, but this was most likely arms dealer, Victor Oswald. 05:10:42 Larry Rivera: Madrid? Awfully close to Skorzeny! Interrogation Center. 05:10:58 mark bujdos: Of course Madrid was redacted. Skorzeny was based in Madrid. 05:11:43 Ray Travers: Replying to "The 2025 release is ..." Yes, search capability a welcome feature. Jack, I will require a bit more coaxing to fully trust ai. But I agree with you, it is getting better. 05:11:44 mark bujdos: So would someone like to talk about Skorzeny? 05:11:57 mark bujdos: Reacted to "Madrid? Awfully clos..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 05:12:20 Larry Rivera: Ask Casey! He won't stop! 05:12:38 mark bujdos: great. Start him 05:12:41 Larry Schnapf: @Jack Reid some researchers have said that generative AI cannot read documents that must be accessed through a "search" box. has that been your experience.? 05:12:47 Scott Reid: I wonder if Harvey could have used people from the Gladio network in Europe - and OAS. 05:13:03 Edward Thomas: @David Denton was Lucien Sarti assassin Harvey's charge? 05:13:12 mark bujdos: Reacted to "I wonder if Harvey c..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 05:13:56 Ray Travers: Reacted to "I wonder if Harvey c..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 05:14:16 Ray Travers: Reacted to "@David Denton was L..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 05:14:16 Jack Reid: Replying to "The 2025 release is ..." I don't trust web-enabled AI either, but the dataset is limited to just the newly released documents. It's basically just a slightly more advanced search. 05:14:37 Ray Travers: Reacted to "I don't trust web-en..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 05:14:49 mark bujdos: bring him in! 05:15:47 mark bujdos: Madrid!! 05:16:42 Scott Reid: Operation Gladio also operated in Madrid. 05:17:01 mark bujdos: Didn't Souetre train people in madrid at Otto's place? 05:18:29 Jack Reid: Replying to "@Jack Reid some rese..." @Larry, I haven't really tried it. I donโ€™t use AI much for JFK research. 05:18:51 mark bujdos: Reacted to "@Larry, I haven't re..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 05:19:42 Larry Schnapf: Replying to "@Jack Reid some rese..." AI is not really useful for JFK research until the documents can be read by A. t this point, it's just reading wiki, opinion pieces, etc 05:21:07 mark bujdos: Why do you think Harvey singled out Czechs as opposed to Poles or Bulgarians, etc? 05:22:24 Scott Reid: Operation Gladio in Europe was run by extreme right wingers who carried out assassinations and terrorist activities and blamed it on left wing activists - much of Gladio operated out of Italy (Rome??). 05:33:28 Larry Rivera: Daniel M PRESLAND 05:40:30 Larry Rivera: https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=%22Presland%22&docset=1906|1687|300|400|500|950&types=D&from=1 05:42:08 Larry Rivera: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=22239#relPageId=1&search=%22Presland%22 05:43:13 Larry Rivera: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=12703#relPageId=1&search=%22Presland%22 05:44:07 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "mffpdf_12635 Harvey Pseudonyms.pdf" with ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป 05:44:15 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "Operation Mongoose Phase II.pdf" with ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป 05:44:21 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "docid-32425062 Lemay 2974 situation in South Vietnam.pdf" with ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป 05:49:16 bentleydoyle: Anyone have info on the upcoming movie โ€œNovember 1963โ€ - such as when it will be released? This has clout in terms of actors (Mandy Patinkin, John Travolta, Dermot Mulroney) and the director, Roland Joffe (directed The Killing Fields). The script is by a nephew of Sam Giancana, Nicki Celozzi, who worked on the script with Giancanaโ€™s daughter Bonnie. Any additional info known? Do you think we expect a credible story re: Giancana/mob connection? Any content details known? 05:51:52 Larry Schnapf: @bentleydoyle we discussed this yesterday. it is in pre-production but has not funding for distribution. The movie is based on garbage from Giancana relatrives trying to make money off of Sam. His did not have role in assassination - it was Marcello or trafficante. 05:55:43 Mark Young: Post production. Theyโ€™ve completed principal photography. 05:55:51 Scott Reid: Thomas Eli Davis was in prison in Algiers at the time of the assassination for running guns to the OAS. Allegedly, his release was facilitated by QJ/WIN. Davis was very close to Jack Ruby. 05:56:59 Scott Reid: OAS had a station in Madrid. 05:57:56 John Reid: Was Harvey ever fully removed from Cuban operations? I find this document (https://storage.googleapis.com/jfkweb-prod/104-10527-10424.pdf) about sabotaging a Cuban merchant ship while in port in Italy in Oct 1963 interesting. Castro claimed the CIA planted a bomb. 05:58:34 mark bujdos: If he spoke fluent Spanish he would have no trouble with Italian 05:58:47 Tim02130: If I had to hazard a guess as to who pulled the trigger of the fatal shot, I'd place my bets on Morales. 05:58:48 Larry Schnapf: maybe Rosselli was teaching him :) 06:00:04 mark bujdos: Replying to "maybe Rosselli was t..." No need. he would be able to understand 80 percent with just Spanish 06:00:55 Scott Reid: Foreign assassins could have been recruited via the OAS. They hated JFK's support for Algerian independence and had tried multiple times to murder De Gaulle. Soutre was very possibly OAS. 06:01:12 mark bujdos: Reacted to "Foreign assassins co..." with โค๏ธ 06:01:25 Larry Schnapf: Harvey had the contacts with Corsicians 06:01:35 mark bujdos: Replying to "Foreign assassins co..." Yes. That's my bet 06:01:40 Paul Cummings: @mark bujdos My mom said the same thing when she was taking a trip to Italy 06:02:09 Scott Reid: And OAS via Davis and QJWIN - the OAS were assassins. 06:02:36 Ray Travers: Replying to "Foreign assassins co..." I agree. 06:05:31 mark bujdos: go to Skorzeny instead of the Z film 06:05:34 Larry Schnapf: Harvey lunch memos 104-10122-10293; ;104-10122-10306 06:05:50 Chad Ford: Agreed @Bill Simpich! 06:06:29 Edward Thomas: Replying to "Harvey lunch memos 1..." what is this? 06:06:30 Chad Ford: The assassination unfortunately would've happened if Zapruder didn't film it. 06:07:24 Peter Trudelle: No question of alteration, just the extent of it. 06:08:31 Scott Reid: I'm signing off - six hours ahead in Scotland - got work tomorrow!! 06:09:01 Ray Travers: Replying to "I'm signing off - si..." Take care Scott 06:09:43 bentleydoyle: Can you, Chad, post the photos you took of the running boards 06:10:17 Edward Thomas: Can anyone talk about John Connolly and the bullets that struck him. 06:10:20 Peter Trudelle: hinged 06:10:22 Scott Reid: Replying to "I'm signing off - si..." Cheers Ray. 06:10:34 Ray Travers: Reacted to "Cheers Ray." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:12:26 mark bujdos: How can we know about the importance of what was taken out of the Z film if we don't know what was taken out! 06:12:44 Peter Trudelle: Reacted to "How can we know abou..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:12:55 Larry Schnapf: but there is enough to show multiple gunners so why does it matter? 06:13:55 bentleydoyle: Reacted to "but there is enough ..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:14:19 Daniel Boudreau: Didn't Jackie say she climber onto the trunk to get his a piece of his skull? 06:14:40 Ray Travers: Reacted to "Didn't Jackie say sh..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:15:06 mark bujdos: for the record, I don't believe it was altered 06:15:13 Larry Schnapf: jackie didn't remember leaving the seat but Hill said she was reaching for something 06:15:37 Peter Trudelle: Replying to "for the record, I do..." What about the splices? 06:15:55 Larry Schnapf: and look at her arm and hands. she is clearly reaching for something. 06:16:01 Tim02130: James Douglas gives a fairly detailed account of when and how the Zapruder film was altered in "JFK and the Unspeakable". 06:16:31 mark bujdos: Except now that I think about it. the stopped truck on Commerce was altered 06:16:40 Daniel Boudreau: Reacted to "and look at her ar..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:17:01 Larry Schnapf: @Tim02130 why does it matter? 06:17:50 Tim02130: Because so many people regard it as the most definitive account of what actually happened that day that's available to anyone? Maybe it's not, but opinions do matter! 06:18:36 Larry Schnapf: but the extent version shows enough evidence of multiple gunman. Bill's question is we're spending too much effort on this. it is a distraction. 06:18:55 Zoom user: Reacted to "but the extent version shows enough evidence of multiple gunman. Bill's question is we're spending too much effort on this. it is a distraction." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:19:07 Tim02130: I'm not knowledgeable enough of the myriad of details here to have an opinion on that. 06:19:37 Stuart Wexler: Worth considering: Vincent Salandria to Fonzi, 1983. "I'm afraid we were misled. All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy... We must face that fact - and not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down." 06:20:12 Ray Travers: Reacted to "James Douglas gives ..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:20:17 bentleydoyle: Reacted to "Worth considering: ..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:20:32 Scott Edwards: More important is what happened to all the films/photos we see people shooting but have not seen the light of day since that day (confiscated, โ€œlostโ€). 06:21:18 J. Gary Shaw: Reacted to "Worth considering: Vincent Salandria to Fonzi, 1983. "I'm afraid we were misled. All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy... We must face that fact - and not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."" with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:21:47 Ray Travers: Reacted to "More important is wh..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:22:41 Tim02130: Replying to "Worth considering: Vincent Salandria to Fonzi, 1983. "I'm afraid we were misled. All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy... We must face that fact - and not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."" Perhaps it would be more worthwhile to try and understand why it was that this "blatantly obvious" fact was so thoroughly suppressed and for so long? 06:22:47 Tim02130: Reacted to "Worth considering: Vincent Salandria to Fonzi, 1983. "I'm afraid we were misled. All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy... We must face that fact - and not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."" with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:22:58 bentleydoyle: Questions over the authenticity and veracity of the Z film seems similar to the comment Garrison - i.e. Costner says in the film JFK: โ€œI donโ€™t care who the shooters wereโ€ฆโ€ he wants to know who ordered it and planned it. 06:23:10 Tim02130: Replying to "Worth considering: Vincent Salandria to Fonzi, 1983. "I'm afraid we were misled. All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy... We must face that fact - and not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."" Or perhaps I should've said "how". 06:23:22 J. Gary Shaw: Reacted to "More important is what happened to all the films/photos we see people shooting but have not seen the light of day since that day (confiscated, โ€œlostโ€)." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:24:42 Chad Ford: @Bill Simpich please share those two names again! 06:25:06 Larry Rivera: Felipe Vidal Santiago and Roy Hargraves 06:25:09 mark bujdos: I would encourage everyone to make a file with cut and paste that puts all the many, many photographs in chronological order as I have, stills as well film frames and you will see there's no gaps in the Z film. 06:25:24 Chad Ford: Reacted to "Felipe Vidal Santiag..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:25:57 Chad Ford: Replying to "Felipe Vidal Santiag..." Thank you Larry! 06:26:28 Jeffrey Sundberg: Whereas when the OAS team opened up with submachine guns at Petit-Clamart on 22 August 1962 and yet failed to get a hit with any of the 180+ bullete fired- de Gaulle's own son -in-law was the driver and floored the- Citroen - Kennedy's driver stopped long enough and even looked backward over his shoulder until JFK was clearly hit in the head. HIs Secret Service team then ensured that his body was not autopsied in Dallas but in Washington. 06:27:11 mark bujdos: Reacted to "Whereas when the OAS..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:28:01 Tim02130: I wonder if a foreign government would be interested in funding such reseearch (and even helping with it)? Certain of them do have a lot of interest in trying to shake the average American's blind trust in their government these days! 06:28:10 Chad Ford: Reacted to "Whereas when the OAS..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:28:31 Stuart Wexler: It poses a real danger to the entire epistemology of the case 06:28:44 Stuart Wexler: including documents 06:29:57 Tim02130: Whatever AI may tell you, either you can verify it or you can't. And in the latter case, you can just say so (or disregard it altogether). 06:32:41 Tim02130: I think the real value of AI in this case is catching correlations between events that, given the masses of data involved, a human would've missed. But once you know where to look, deciding if it's real, or how significant it is, is relatively easy. 06:32:54 Peter Trudelle: Replying to "Whatever AI may tell..." Anyone know how to verify generative AI output? Seems more like plausible hallucination. 06:33:01 Edward Thomas: Q: what are machine learning programs the clarify old films and videos for legal purposes. I need the best. A: For clarifying old, blurry, or low-resolution video evidence in legal contexts, Topaz Video AI is widely considered the industry standard, offering superior upscaling, denoising, and motion deblurring. Other, more specialized options include Pixop for professional cloud-based restoration and AVCLabs Video Enhancer AI for grain reduction. 06:33:47 Edward Thomas: For legal purposes, it is critical to use tools that offer robust enhancement without "hallucinating" or fabricating new information, which is why professionals prefer the motion-adaptive capabilities of Topaz or DaVinci's neural engine. 06:34:15 mark bujdos: You can tell it's a bot by the prose style and rhetoric 06:34:17 Tim02130: Replying to "Whatever AI may tell you, either you can verify it or you can't. And in the latter case, you can just say so (or disregard it altogether)." I don't think that's an issue; either you have a video with verifiable chain-of-custody, or you don't. And you don't even need to ask your AI to give you a video in the first place. 06:36:01 Paul Cummings: In research errors are going to happen 06:36:28 Tim02130: On the internet, what gives away an AI generated video is that it is in some ways a little too perfect. For example, I came across a YouTube video of Paul Krugman holding forth on a fictitious event. He spoke for 20 minutes at high speed without a single pause or self-correction. 06:38:38 mark bujdos: Luxembourg is a fair DINKIN holiday 06:38:54 Tim02130: Is it thoroughly established that Morales was in Dallas that day? 06:39:12 Chad Nagle: Replying to "Is it thoroughly est..." Itโ€™s not established where he was at all. 06:39:21 Tim02130: Replying to "Is it thoroughly established that Morales was in Dallas that day?" That's a problem ... 06:39:33 Tim02130: Replying to "Is it thoroughly established that Morales was in Dallas that day?" I thought he'd been seen. 06:40:15 mark bujdos: What's the name of the witness gary? 06:41:14 mark bujdos: Cleola ?? 06:42:29 Paul Cummings: Hail of bullets 06:42:35 Peter Trudelle: Flurry 06:43:18 Daniel Boudreau: Why did Emory Roberts wave the agent off of JFK's limo when leaving the airport? 06:43:19 Chad Nagle: Kellerman said โ€œa flurry of shells,โ€ which made no sense ballistically but clearly conveyed a lot of bullets. 06:43:31 Ray Travers: Whenever I am riding in a car, and shots are fired at me, I immediately stop the car and look around. 06:43:40 Chad Nagle: Emory Roberts 06:44:05 Chad Nagle: Elmer Moore was the guy who warned Malcolm Perry to shut up about the entry wound in the throat. 06:45:25 Bill Simpich: https://www.maryferrell.org/php/pseudodb.php?id=WATLINGTON_ROY&search=watlington - The Mary Ferrell site for Harveyโ€™s aide Neill Prew aka ACSI officer Roy Watlington 06:45:52 Paul Cummings: So did the list at Texas Theatre 06:49:59 mark bujdos: its the reverse the guy told Hudson to get down, theyre shootin. 06:50:33 mark bujdos: We had the whole nix film most of it is a foorball game 06:52:15 Ray Travers: Reacted to "Why did Emory Robert..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:54:01 Ray Travers: To end the weekend. Would each Speaker please State in 30 seconds or less...Who Organized the Assassination. 06:54:56 Ray Travers: To end the weekend. Would each Speaker please State in 30 seconds or less...Who Organized the Assassination. 06:55:20 Chad Ford: Fantastic last two days. Thank you all! 06:55:26 Paul Cummings: Thank you for putting this together 06:56:00 Scott Edwards: Excellentโ€” thanks! 06:56:02 Sara Peterson: I cannot thank you all for your time and incredible research! 06:57:42 Paul Cummings: Very compartmentalized 06:58:31 Daniel Boudreau: Reacted to "To end the weekend..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 06:59:44 Chad Ford: I always thought the film "Thirteen Days" had a lot to say about the JFK assassination. 07:00:20 mark bujdos: I recommend the French film I comme Icare (1979) 07:00:21 Ray Travers: SO, everyone agrees INTEL at the top of the list. 07:00:27 bentleydoyle: Speaking of films - Any of you hardcore researchers expect much from the upcoming film โ€œNovember 1963โ€ re: Sam Giancanaโ€™s nephewโ€™s film? 07:00:53 Bill Simpich: On the organizers - focus on Miami - as Arthur Schlesinger said while JFK was trying to reach rapprochement with Castro, โ€œWhatever Havana knew, Miami knew.โ€ Harvey and Morales and Roselli are among the key organizers. 07:01:28 bentleydoyle: Reacted to "On the organizers - ..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 07:01:29 Chad Nagle: I think the Pentagon commanding heights planned it. Organizers in Dealey Plaza? Probably CIA and other intel agencies. 07:01:43 Ray Travers: Replying to "On the organizers - ..." wow. never heard you admit that. 07:01:45 Ryan Lisk: I want to thank you guys so much for having this. While nothing mirrors the in-persons in November and as someone who has been to Lancer, CAPA, and Proj JFK/CSI Dallas like so many of you have - you all do a tremendous job with the virtual capacity. Any event that can attract the likes of J Gary Shaw, Bill Simpich, and Casey Q to provide insight and facilitate meaningful discussionโ€ฆchefโ€™s kiss. Just amazing. Thanks again, all - including both Davidโ€™s for coordinating and making it all go. 07:01:48 bentleydoyle: Thank you, Larry. 07:02:02 mark bujdos: Reacted to "I think the Pentagon..." with โค๏ธ 07:02:28 Chad Ford: Reacted to "I want to thank you ..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 07:02:47 bentleydoyle: My thanks to all of you for your long-time excellent work and devoted efforts 07:03:06 Ray Travers: 2 Days of plenty of potential instigators. But relieved to hear you all say TOP INTEL people did this hit. 07:03:10 Edward Thomas: The work of the investigators/scholars is either extraordinary and/or incredible. Either way - everyone's better for your diligent work. Thank you so much. 07:03:42 ht: thank you 07:04:06 ht: awesome conference 07:04:50 Paul Cummings: Don't have paypal. Checks? 07:04:59 Ray Travers: Speakers were all great. Kudos to everyone. Especially Enjoyed Larry Rivera and Chad Nagel. More Journey Meetings every month please. 07:05:18 Terry Hupman: Fantastic two days. Thank you all! 07:05:31 Ray Travers: PayPal sends money to Brian Edwards. 07:06:41 Ray Travers: Great Conference. Do one every month. 07:07:05 Ray Travers: Money goes to Brian edwaeds. 07:07:30 Ray Travers: You are welcome Brian. 07:07:47 Peter Trudelle: I suspect the CIA put the organizer (Dulles) on the WC to better cover it all up, fits their pattern ala Joannides. 07:08:00 bentleydoyle: Reacted to "I suspect the CIA pu..." with ๐Ÿ‘ 07:08:14 Paul Cummings: Only allows pay pal when I just tried 07:08:25 Peter Trudelle: Thanks everybody, well worth the while! 07:08:42 John Huibregtse: Was anyone from the press or MSM invited to attend this Zoom conference? Will a press release be written and distributed? We all know there was a conspiracy. Those that donโ€™t know need to get the information that we all know. 07:08:51 Ray Travers: Bill Simpich please say hello to David Talbot...just down the street from you. 07:12:28 Ray Travers: Everyone stay well. 07:15:16 bentleydoyle: Looking good, David. Glad you are feeling good.