00:14:21 Paul Cummings: Good morning 00:14:23 Russ Baker, Editor in Chief and CEO: Am now in 00:14:28 Russ Baker, Editor in Chief and CEO: Thanks 00:19:48 MC Armstrong: Quick question: Are the times for today’s talks EST or CT? 00:20:09 Larry Schnapf: CDT 00:20:27 MC Armstrong: Thanks! 00:22:27 Tim02130: Please put a link to the web site where the schedule is posted in this chat. 00:30:20 Peter: https://projectjfk.com/events 00:33:24 Shane Smith: Are members of the Luna committee able to view unredacted versions of released materials? Is anyone? 00:37:03 Joshua: Is there any indication that the April 2025 visit by DNI Gabbard and company to a CIA facility recovered JFK records, and if so, 00:37:35 Joshua: are they in communication with the Taskforce? 00:38:59 Bill Simpich: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/david+knight/FMfcgzQgLPSFTkFBXfpgGxVNXgwPSSGf ZRRIFLE article Bill Simpich will be discussing on the “overseas one-man base with own non-station communications”, see page 18 of 21. 00:39:21 mark bujdos: Larry, can you say any more about the more possible Luna committee hearing that will not be public 00:43:13 Peter: Replying to "https://mail.google...." I think only David Knight can see this link 00:44:14 David Knight: Replying to "https://mail.google...." https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/david+knight/FMfcgzQgLPSFTkFBXfpgGxVNXgwPSSGf 00:44:30 David Knight: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#search/david+knight/FMfcgzQgLPSFTkFBXfpgGxVNXgwPSSGf 00:47:27 Peter: Replying to "https://mail.google...." “Conversation could not be loaded” 00:51:00 Peter: Replying to "https://mail.google...." “The conversation that you requested could not be loaded.” 00:54:31 Tim02130: But there are millions of Epstein files that the DOJ has still not released! 00:54:32 User: the epstein files have consumed the task force's energy. 00:56:17 User: I have the docket from the Sheridan lawsuit. 00:58:42 User: The RFK files that were in the JFK Library are now at the National Declassification Center for mandatory declassification review. I have asked Luna to try to accelerate the declassification process. 01:04:50 User: The JFK Saeculum is approaching the end. 01:12:20 dentond@iecc.edu: His first named 01:12:29 Joshua: Were DM's military service records (G2?, Army?) ever requested by HSCA/AARB? 01:19:57 User: there is a good site that automatically compares versions of JFK records https://jfkdiffs.com/ 01:20:10 Joshua: Replying to "there is a good site..." Thank you! Great. 01:23:36 Tim02130: I'm not going to be able to attend all the sessions; will recordings be available? 01:26:16 David Knight: Replays will be posted on the projectjfk.com website under the past conference section and also hosted on our YouTube chanel tonight and tomorrow night. 01:26:40 dentond@iecc.edu: They will be up on project jfk you tube channel several hours after this is over 01:27:40 dentond@iecc.edu: Bill. I am a couple hours from st Louis and could potentially get over if you give me the details 01:28:17 Joshua: Would there have been a similar "screening" operation by customs personnel in New Orleans? Was that a port of entry? 01:29:01 Leslie Sharp: Larry R., can you explain how customs might have interacted with INS during the era? 01:30:30 Joshua: Melansons papers, UMass Dartmouth: 01:30:31 Larry Rivera: They were very connected to each other and worked together. Not much time to go into detail here. THanks. 01:30:32 Joshua: https://archivesspace.lib.umassd.edu/repositories/3/resources/123 01:31:02 Edward Thomas: https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-last-confession-of-e-howard-hunt-76611/ 01:31:17 Edward Thomas: But now, in August 2003, propped up in his sickbed, paper on his lap, pen in hand and son sitting next to him, he began to write down the names of men who had indeed participated in a plot to kill the president. He had lied during those two federal investigations. He knew something after all. He told St. John about his own involvement, too. It was explosive stuff, with the potential to reconfigure the JFK-assassination-theory landscape. And then he got better and went on to live for four more years. 01:32:00 Peter: Reacted to "They will be up on p..." with ❤️ 01:32:01 Larry Rivera: I will be back in an hour, have to step out. 01:32:17 Leslie Sharp: Replying to "They were very conne..." Thanks. I’m interested in Harlon B. Carter, Chief SW Division INS in ’63. What might he have known. Maybe we can pursue via dm sometime. GREAT presentation. Diasado is intriguing. 01:32:59 Chad Ford: Yes Talbot wrote about this in his book "The Devil's Chessboard" 01:33:57 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "Yes Talbot wrote abo..." with 👍🏻 01:34:18 Russ Baker, Editor in Chief and CEO: You should be able to save the CHAT for us 01:34:48 Russ Baker, Editor in Chief and CEO: saving the CHAT is an option for the host 01:35:51 Bill Simpich: Replying to "Bill. I am a couple ..." David, let me touch base with Dan Hardway and let’s talk! 01:35:51 Peter: Can anyone post a working link for the zrrifle article Bill discussed? 01:35:54 Russ Baker, Editor in Chief and CEO: what would speakers say are the three most important points raised so far? 01:35:56 Bart Kamp: Sturbits https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D9DMXbCZgDXqSOx3SNF1GuAskTC6BZXV/view?usp=drive_link 01:36:43 Tim02130: Reacted to "Replays will be posted on the projectjfk.com website under the past conference section and also hosted on our YouTube chanel tonight and tomorrow night." with 👍 01:36:50 Tim02130: Reacted to "They will be up on project jfk you tube channel several hours after this is over" with ❤️ 01:38:03 Dory Wiley: Reacted to "Sturbits https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D9DMXbCZgDXqSOx3SNF1GuAskTC6BZXV/view?usp=drive_link" with ❤️ 01:38:20 Russ Baker, Editor in Chief and CEO: Why not apply for a grant? I suspect some foundation would pony up 01:38:40 Russ Baker, Editor in Chief and CEO: I will ask someone 01:38:42 Chad Ford: Reacted to "Sturbits https://dri..." with 👍 01:39:16 Bart Kamp: AI is the new god 01:39:28 Larry Schnapf: Matthew Connolly got a grant for his Declassification Engine book. 01:39:29 Bill Simpich: Replying to "Can anyone post a wo..." Peter, earlier in this chat I posted the working link, check me? 01:39:45 Bart Kamp: Most ppl do not understand how to set it up 01:39:49 Dory Wiley: You have to train the AI to have a JFK world view first, then it becomes easier. 01:40:50 Joshua: How much of the JFK Records Collections still needs to be digitized? 01:41:01 Bart Kamp: You tell AI it cannot lie 01:41:14 Bart Kamp: Provide sources against/for 01:41:56 Larry Schnapf: only a small percentage of JFK records are online and those are not searchable 01:42:13 Peter: They are easily OCR’d 01:42:25 Bart Kamp: How does bad AI differentiate from opinionated observations? 01:43:42 Larry Schnapf: But OCRing millions of pages is time consuming and costly. and one must train the LLMs. 01:44:20 Peter: OCR just takes cpu time 01:44:34 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "OCR just takes cpu t..." with 👍🏻 01:44:40 Tim02130: The God that failed? 01:44:54 Jeffrey Sundberg: Here's an idea that I've run by a number of people who might be in a position to host it, but never gotten anything under way: I think that we need a 'crowdsourcing' of material, perhaps onto not Excel but Google Sheets, where there is version control, multi-user access, etc. And perhaps volunteer scanning of the volumioous body of un-OCR'd RIFs, not all of which are even properly segregated but rather released under that 'multi-RIF' format. Worth discussing? 01:45:02 Chad Nagle: Does the Sixth Floor Museum have an original celluloid version of the Darnell film? Isn’t that one rather more interesting than the Wiegman film? 01:45:49 Peter: Reacted to "Here's an idea that ..." with 👍 01:48:28 Larry Schnapf: @Chad Nagle i don't know what version the 6th floor might have I doubt they would allow it to be digitized. 01:48:53 Joshua: Reacted to "Here's an idea that ..." with 👍 01:49:50 Dory Wiley: Chad - I will try to check. 01:50:25 Larry Schnapf: @Chad Nagle according to the 6th floor, In August 2024, the museum officially released a 4K scan of the footage as part of its NBC 5 Archive Collection 01:50:51 Bart Kamp: AARC has dl both sites and they will be kept as an archive 01:51:08 Patrick McCarthy: Bill Kelly's site: Countercoup 01:51:09 Joshua: Jeffrey, I'd be happy to contribute to a crowdsourcing OCR project, help organize it, just wouldn't know where/how to start . . . 01:53:10 Larry Schnapf: @Joshua what really needs to be done is to have the estimated 5 million pages of JFK Collection files scanned with OCR. Assuming we could get access, i have no idea how much this would cost. i assume we are discussing millions of $$. 01:54:23 Tim02130: Apple does things like that; you've got to enable something in system settings then logout and log back into Zoom. 01:57:36 Tim02130: It would indeed be ironic if the JFK mystery were solved with files in Cuba that were released only because the USA finally invaded Cuba! 02:02:10 Peter: Reacted to "AARC has dl both sit..." with ❤️ 02:06:06 Larry Schnapf: The National Security Archives dropped a Schlesinger memo from May 1961 discussing the British intelligence system. it appears to be the predecessor of the Schlesinger June memo. 02:08:27 Larry Schnapf: Replying to "The National Securit..." https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/33949-document-5-white-house-memorandum-how-organize-intelligence-service-british-example 02:16:12 Dory Wiley: Reacted to "The National Security Archives dropped a Schlesinger memo from May 1961 discussing the British intelligence system. it appears to be the predecessor of the Schlesinger June memo." with 👌 02:26:13 Peter: Replying to "Can anyone post a wo..." @Bill Simpich I clicked on all the links posted, got the same error each time, link appears to be someone’s gmail acc. 02:38:38 Patrick McCarthy: Replying to "Can anyone post a wo..." Re: NSAM on covert ops: NSAM 57, Responsibility for Paramilitary Operations JFK Library https://www.jfklibrary.org › archives › jfknsf-330-007 Oct 28, 2023 — This folder contains a copy of National Security Action Memoranda number 57 (NSAM 57) titled, “Responsibility for Paramilitary Operations,” .. 02:42:20 Peter: Reacted to "Re: NSAM on covert o..." with 😃 02:48:52 Edward Thomas: How was it a sting, who was the sting target 02:52:19 Larry Schnapf: Replying to "Chad - I will try to..." 6th floor has a 4K version of the 16MM original. 02:54:18 Larry Schnapf: Washington, D.C., February 21, 2006 - The CIA and other federal agencies have secretly reclassified over 55,000 pages of records taken from the open shelves at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), according to a report published today on the World Wide Web by the National Security Archive at George Washington University. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB179/ 02:59:37 Larry Schnapf: Washington D.C., 11 April 2006 - The National Archives and Records Administration secretly agreed to a covert effort, led by the Air Force, the CIA, and other still-hidden intelligence entities, to remove open-shelf archival records and reclassify them while disguising the results so that researchers would not complain, according to a previously secret Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). The secret agreement, made between the Air Force and the National Archives, was declassified pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act request by the National Security Archive and posted on the NARA website yesterday. 03:01:10 Dory Wiley: I love it! Al buddy! Pic looks just like him! I’m stealing that! 03:04:06 Dory Wiley: Bundy 03:10:58 Bill: Watched "Coup53" last night, a documentary on MI6 and CIA coup to depose Mossadegh, the prime minister of Iran in 1953. Just a slice of CIA activity in the 50s but very informative. 03:13:16 Leslie Sharp: David (at risk of entering the weeds) for future consideration in context of the Schlessinger memo, a key diplomat long overlooked is Brownwood, Texas native Roy R. Rubottom Jr. who insiders considered Ike’s go to on Cuba and Dominican Republic affairs in mid to late late 1950s, including advice on Castro. Rubottom’s earlier stint in Madrid on behalf of the State Department, facilitating early development of US bases in Spain, is critical to understanding why he should be studied in depth. Rubottom ended his diplomatic career somewhat ignominiously in Argentina with Kennedy appeasing President Frondizi by replacing Rubottom who eventually retired to Dallas and SMU in 1964. 03:13:22 Ryan Lisk: Thanks for having this and all that each of you are doing. Have to duck out for the remainder of today but looking forward to listening in tomorrow. 03:14:51 Dory Wiley: Reacted to "David (at risk of entering the weeds) for future consideration in context of the Schlessinger memo, a key diplomat long overlooked is Brownwood, Texas native Roy R. Rubottom Jr. who insiders considered Ike’s go to on Cuba and Dominican Republic affairs in mid to late late 1950s, including advice on Castro. Rubottom’s earlier stint in Madrid on behalf of the State Department, facilitating early development of US bases in Spain, is critical to understanding why he should be studied in depth. Rubottom ended his diplomatic career somewhat ignominiously in Argentina with Kennedy appeasing President Frondizi by replacing Rubottom who eventually retired to Dallas and SMU in 1964." with ❤️ 03:18:59 Leo Zahn: its still in post-prodeuction 03:19:25 Leo Zahn: I'll jump on another compoutetr 03:23:43 Frank Geier: Can you telll us when monthly meetings are and hwo to attend 03:24:54 Chad Ford: I see them! 03:28:09 Larry Rivera: Travolta's hangars at Ocala 03:32:19 Scott Reid: Robert Carlyle is from Scotland - not England. 03:33:40 markyoung: What’s the title of the film? Is it based on a book? 03:36:20 Chad Nagle: Reacted to "Robert Carlyle is fr..." with 👍🏽 03:37:23 Bart Kamp: Larry what is your source for this? 03:39:59 Scott Edwards: Groden didn’t say it was the best possible but that it was the best now available until they get the original from what had been in Long Island City. 03:42:03 mark bujdos: can someon provide the link for the 6th Floor's 4k Darrnell copy if it's online? 03:44:07 Leo Zahn: Groden verbatim “if they want it as clear as the original, its in here”,,,pointing at his DVD 03:45:42 mark bujdos: I like the way Bart Kamp pronounces Wiegman's name properly! 03:47:17 Scott Edwards: I don’t have any connection to Mr. Groden, but the guy shouldn’t have to defend himself against reckless and inaccurate accusations made publicly more than once. 03:48:13 Phillip Lavelle: Larry, what do we hope to get from these "original" Darnell and Wegmen films? Thanks 03:48:35 Joshua: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5vBks-kQmk 03:48:37 Paul Cummings: To see if LHO Is on the steps 03:55:29 Leo Zahn: The Darnell doesn’t look like the kind of 4K scan I would expect from a 16mm original…weird 03:56:04 Bart Kamp: Exactly 03:56:24 Joshua: 6th Floor Museum Press Release Aug. 2024 re: NBC 5 collection: 03:56:26 Joshua: https://www.jfk.org/press-news/nbc-5-archive-press-release/ 03:59:32 Scott Reid: Is the supposed 4k scan of the Darnell film taken from the 16mm original or from a copy of the original? 04:01:35 mark bujdos: Any relation to film director Bud Boetticher? 04:01:42 Scott Reid: I was there - I seem to recall it was Chana Gail Willis. I can't remember the names tho. 04:02:00 Larry Schnapf: maybe we should ask Steve Fagin of the 6th floor to confirm it is (1) a 4K from (2) the 16MM original?. 04:02:26 markyoung: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9219630/?ref_=fn_i_1 04:06:36 Larry Schnapf: I wonder if "Tippian" is a typo. I have not found anyone with that name associated with the Outfit. wonder if is Anthony "Tippy" Vitale? 04:07:55 Joshua: page missing from what? 04:08:34 Joshua: right, thank you 04:09:54 Joshua: God bless you for all of your work, Mr. Shaw! 04:10:11 Chad Ford: Reacted to "God bless you for al..." with 👍 04:10:14 Ray Travers: Replying to "Any relation to film..." I interviewed Budd many years ago on his horse ranch in Southern California. Interesting guy. 04:11:04 Paul Cummings: Hi Gary, any progress on the missing names in which Roscoe admitted killing? 04:11:34 mark bujdos: Patricia Hall talks about her grandmother's. Gladys Johnson's story about how she saw the law enforcement officer tear the pages out of the diary in Oswald's room on the 22nd. 04:12:01 Larry Schnapf: Here is what I have learned about the NBC facilities that may have held the Wiegman film. In the 1970s, NBC utilized warehouses in Queens and Manhattan. One storage facility was the Pathe Laboratories located at 105-11 East 106th Street in East Harlem and the Pathe's Queens Lab at 43-10 23rd Street in Long Island City which was a Former Parachute Factory. Another Long Island City facility was the Movielab, Inc. complex, located at 31-21 31st Street (or its associated building at 47-07 31st Place) The Movielab facility was a major processing lab and storage hub. I suspect Groden saw the Weigman film at either the Movielab or the Pathe’s Queens Labs. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the NBC News Master Film Library was moved from local NYC storage to the Fort Lee Film Storage building on Jane Street also known as the "Bonded Film Storage" facility (now part of Iron Mountain) . In 1985, NBC donated a massive collection of pre-1985 video and film—including over 150,000 kinescopes and news reels to the Li 04:16:06 Jim King: Did Penn Jones ever question Mary Farrell's motivations 04:18:14 Edward Thomas: is Gordon McClennen spelling correct 04:18:28 Larry Schnapf: Replying to "The Darnell doesn’t ..." I will email Steve Fagan on the 6th Floor to see if he can provide basis for belief this was a 4K of the original 16MM film. 04:18:52 Cherie Leverette: Replying to "is Gordon McClennen ..." McClendon, I believe. 04:19:32 Scott Reid: Replying to "The Darnell doesn’t ..." Thanks Larry. 04:19:32 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "McClendon, I believe..." with 👍🏻 04:21:02 Dory Wiley: Where is that now? FBI took it? 04:21:54 Joshua: The spelling for "Boetticher"? Baedaker? 04:21:58 Dory Wiley: (The film) 04:25:23 Cherie Leverette: Replying to "The spelling for "Bo..." Boedeker. Dallas has a street named after him.. 04:25:56 mark bujdos: Replying to "Any relation to film..." @Ray Travers love Budd! 04:26:06 MC Armstrong: Other than the missing diary pages and Oswald's letter to Connally, what's the most credible document connecting LHO to Connally? 04:26:19 Joshua: "Saul and Lebanon" also via Aynesworth? 04:27:43 Ray Travers: Reacted to "@Ray Travers love Bu..." with 👍 04:32:46 Joshua: correction: Hugh McDonald's 04:33:02 Joshua: https://www.cedarsunion.org/boedeker/ 04:34:08 Joshua: The Boedeker ice cream plant 04:35:22 Ray Travers: Reacted to "https://www.cedarsun..." with 👍 04:43:12 Bill: I went to HS with Richie Flarhety, Stamfor Catholic High School; movie about Richie is "Giant Killer". 04:45:36 markyoung: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/nytimes/name/raymond-raskin-obituary?id=17420847 04:47:40 Larry Rivera: Reacted to "@Ray Travers love Bu..." with 👍 04:47:46 Larry Rivera: Reacted to "I interviewed Budd m..." with 👍🏻 04:49:28 Chad Ford: J. Gary Shaw: Is it still believed that Beverly Oliver was the "Babushka" lady? 04:50:03 Cherie Leverette: Replying to "J. Gary Shaw: Is it ..." I'd like to know, too. 04:50:57 Bart Kamp: Great stuff 04:51:03 Dory’s iPad: I had someone tell me awhile back- notice babushka could be Barbara bush!??? lol 04:51:47 Edward Thomas: @Brian Edwards what is your website 04:55:46 David Knight: projectjfk.com 05:00:24 Jeffrey Sundberg: A question for Brian and Gary, while the topic of Roscoe White is not yet too cold: 05:04:05 Chana Gail Willis: Dad told me on his deathbed that "Lee was on his team, was ONI and CIA like him, held a gun that day but never fired one. " 05:04:12 Howard Kosrofian: 100% A false defection 05:04:27 Ron Raquel: Reacted to "Dad told me on his deathbed that "Lee was on his team, was ONI and CIA like him, held a gun that day but never fired one. "" with 👍 05:04:47 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "Dad told me on his d..." with 👍 05:05:53 Edward Thomas: Book?: the final analysis by david lifton 05:06:19 Chad Ford: The Final Analysis by David Mantik 05:06:20 Jeffrey Sundberg: Back in the final days of 1976 (IIRC), two HSCA investigators - I think that one of them was Jonathan Blackmer - went to Geneva Dees White in order to obtain that unique pose of the BYP and other photographs that Roscoe White had scooped up. Before they left, Geneva Dees turned over the rifle stock on the rifle that Roscoe had crafted for Ricky, and - amazingly - urged them to take it apart, looking for hollow chambers and microdots (!). Has any more been found on this? And I observe: what an endorsement of Geneva White believed that her husband had some secret knowledge of the JFKA. 05:09:34 Phillip Lavelle: Thanks for shedding the light of truth on Drs. Mantik; Chesser, and Doug Horne. They get to the truth by looking at the medical evidence. Incredible kudos to Rep. Anna Paulina Luna for getting Horne before the congressional committee. 99.9% of the media dutiful went to sleep on Horne's testimony. Knowing the above Drs. are alive, well, super articulate and able to withstand cross-examination. Yes, the Z film is altered, but still useful in showing what happened, and the cover-up. 05:09:44 Bart Kamp: The WR was thrown out of a court of law 05:09:51 Bart Kamp: It was not a legal doc 05:09:57 Larry Rivera: Malcolm Perry!!!!! 05:10:07 Chad Ford: Reacted to "Malcolm Perry!!!!!" with 👍 05:10:14 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "Thanks for shedding ..." with 👍 05:10:23 Edward Thomas: Reacted to "Thanks for shedding ..." with 😂 05:12:50 Ray Travers: Reacted to "Thanks for shedding ..." with 👍 05:17:19 John Halleran: Does anyone have a view on credibility of Frances Richard Conolly whose 2015 video Everything is a Rich Man's Trick)? He also referenced a shot from storm drain at curb across from the limo and multiple shooters? 05:17:20 Paul Cummings: Knott Laboratory did a scan of the shots in DP and none came from the Clean Towel and Linen Service Tuck 05:19:55 Larry Schnapf: Replying to "Knott Laboratory did..." Don't call it Knott Labs. the work was done for John Orr. Knott lab has tried to take credit for Orr's work 05:20:15 Chad Ford: Casey Quinlan: Could you share the list of the 62 books you recommend on the Kennedy assassination and I am in MO and would love to attend one of your presentations. If you have a schedule, please share. Thank you! 05:20:26 Paul Cummings: I understand that Larry and know it's in legal 05:22:33 Chana Gail Willis: If he clicks F5 05:28:40 Larry Rivera: CIA-Texas, that is definitely a wide open field! 05:28:59 Larry Rivera: Skorzeny 05:31:04 Cherie Leverette: IIDallas media sure covered up for McLendon over the years. 05:31:28 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "IIDallas media sure ..." with 👍 05:32:41 Dory Wiley: add Jackie kennedy to that list. 05:32:54 MC Armstrong: John Sherman Cooper also implicates LBJ via his aide, Morris Wolff 05:33:06 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "add Jackie kennedy t..." with 👍 05:36:23 Cherie Leverette: I'd never rely on Roger Stone's word for anything. 05:37:38 Larry Schnapf: i think Hunt's son was using leading questions for his father and what we see is a highly edited document 05:37:48 Cherie Leverette: Reacted to "i think Hunt's son w..." with 👍 05:39:47 Larry Schnapf: we should make a distinction between the money guys behind LBJ and LBJ himself. If LBJ really wanted to take down JFK, all he had to do was to have his buddy Hoover release the dirt he had on JFK. lot less risky than plotting to kill a standing president and risking being executed for treason. 05:39:57 Phillip Lavelle: Casey, are you open to windshield bullet going in neck and "traversing downwards" in the words of Dr. Kemp Clark on or about 11/27/63. I believe one or two of the radiologists, when taking x-rays, advised a bullet fell out of cavity. I know some small holes in face made by probably small glass shavings, consisent with windshield hit. But, Dr. Perry and a couple others in Parkland said this was like a bullet hole entry wound. And Parkland very experienced Trauma center familiar with gunshots. 05:40:55 MC Armstrong: David Morales also implicated LBJ (see Talbot’s Devil’s Chessboard) 05:41:14 Marlene Auble: you can add the lawyer who worked for cliff carter, cant think of his name? 05:43:43 Paul Cummings: Barr McClellan 05:44:01 Larry Schnapf: The LBJ did it is animus over Vietnam by the boomer generation. LBJ was too shrewd a politican to get involved in an assassination of standing president. 05:44:31 Larry Schnapf: a lawyer who reveals client confidences is not a trustworth person 05:45:44 Cherie Leverette: Clearly LBJ was the immediate beneficiary of the assassination. But if you look at the killing as "revenge" it is more believable that Dulles, Cabell, Bissell, etc., had something to do with it, especially since Oswald was moved around like a pawn on the world map, and who better to do that than the intelligence community? 05:45:55 Larry Schnapf: Marcello was paying LBJ $5-10K a year for protection. He and other LBJ money people would have had motive to knock off JFK and insert LBJ as president. 05:47:14 Leslie Sharp: Replying to "CIA-Texas, that is d..." Indeed, with focus on his businesses with Dallas’ favorite sons including General American Oil Algur Meadows, Jack Crichton, Everett DeGolyer, Joe Zeppa, and Clint Murchison. Oil smoothes the way. 05:47:20 Larry Schnapf: the "revenge" motive is greatest for Marcello. Just like CIA reached out to mafia to kill castro, i think Marcello/Trafficant reached out to their friends at JMWAVE to help take down JFK 05:48:30 Chad Ford: Reacted to "the "revenge" motive..." with 👍 05:48:56 MC Armstrong: Marcello and LBJ both had powerful motives. Johnson was about to go to prison and about to be dropped from the 1964 ticket if JFK stayed alive. 05:50:01 Cherie Leverette: Replying to "Marcello and LBJ bot..." JFK would have lost TX in the 1964 election if he dropped LBJ, even if dropping him was the right thing to do. 05:50:04 Larry Schnapf: LBJ was not about to go to prison. LBJ's friends would not have allowed this to happen . Indeed, congress punted in 1964. 05:50:24 Larry Rivera: Those are two degrees of history separation 05:50:32 Paul Cummings: JFK didn't believe they need Texas in 1964 05:50:36 Leslie Sharp: Byrd’s wife ran their real estate business from the Meadows building off Central. Mattie Caruth Byrd was daughter of re magnate who donated the land for SMU, home of Robert G. Storey’s legal foundation dedicated to matters germane to the petroleum industry. Storey has long been suspected of having provided the agency with a respected outlet, Lakewood Bank affiliated with Republic National Bank who many believe was the HQ for the CIA Southwest. 05:51:30 Larry Schnapf: it was too risky for LBJ to personally be involved. but his powerful money friends would have taken action if necessary to protect their man. 05:52:38 Phillip Lavelle: Larry, David now talking about the tremendous heat coming down on LBJ, and highly probable removal of LBJ from the '64 ticket, put tremendous motivation on LBJ to act. What was vital, was JFK doesn't get out of Dallas alive. Then, he can, and did, control the investigations. Secret service was acting on orders of someone powerful to remove the body from TX. 05:53:01 Larry Schnapf: This is connecting dots that are light years apart. this is all speculation and inferences. 05:53:45 Leslie Sharp: Bobby Baker was in New Orleans in the Spring of 1963 along with his girlfriend Carole Tyler, Puerto Rican developer Paul Aguirre and the infamous femme fatale implicated in a sexual liaison with JFK Ellen Rometsch. Baker was a loyal facilitator of Dallas independent oilman Clint Murchison whose history with the Skorzeny-Meadows scheme in Madrid is documented. 05:53:56 Phillip Lavelle: Not light years, inches. 05:54:08 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "Bobby Baker was in N..." with 👍 05:54:10 Larry Schnapf: LBJ would not take such a risky move because he did not have do. Hoover could have taken down JFK if he released dirt. 05:54:39 Paul Cummings: You don't think JFK had goods on Hoover? Goes both ways 05:55:22 Leslie Sharp: Reacted to "LBJ would not take s..." with 👍 05:55:25 Larry Schnapf: but hoover takes down JFK and then LBJ protects him. Mafia had the real leverage on Hover. 05:55:32 Cherie Leverette: Replying to "LBJ would not take s..." There'd have been a lot of mutually assured destruction once the "dirt" came out. Hoover's dirt, LBJ's dirt, Nixon's dirt, etc, would probably have come out as retribution, if nothing else. 05:55:57 Leslie Sharp: Replying to "but hoover takes dow..." Are there records of Hoover visiting New Orleans over the years? 05:56:02 Larry Schnapf: LBJ would not take down JFK in his own state. this is insane 05:56:24 Phillip Lavelle: Yes, mob, and JFK, had the goods on J. Edgar. Many mafia figures advised over the years they never feared the FBI. They had that covered. 05:56:50 Cherie Leverette: Replying to "LBJ would not take d..." Personally I don't think he would have dared being that close to the gunfire if he'd have known in advance that was where and when it was going to be. 05:56:52 Larry Schnapf: Hoover used to get tips on fixed horse races from Frank Costello. He had lots of connections with mob... as did Jim Garrision. 05:57:35 Dory Wiley: do we have the contents of earle cabell's 201 file? 05:58:32 Larry Schnapf: mob wasn't worried about Hoover .it was RFK they had feared. taking down JFK eliminated RFK and restored their puppet Hoover to control mob enforcement 05:58:36 Leslie Sharp: A credible researcher advised me years ago that Murchison’s attorney in Del Mar ended up with HL Hunt’s copy of the Z film. Caveat emptor. 05:59:37 Larry Schnapf: Bloody Treason claims HL Hunt got copy of Z film from local FBI office. 06:00:07 Phillip Lavelle: They all did. Mafia was part of the landscape. You didn't have to work with them, but just be aware they were the true untouchables back in the 50's and 60's. Garrison is an example. Knew they were there, but wise enough to let them do their thing in his city. Like Las Vegas, in many, many ways, they kept the order. 06:01:01 Larry Schnapf: Yes- LBJ participated in coverup because a real investigation would partially lead to mafia and expose LBJ's relationship to Marcello. 06:01:12 Leslie Sharp: Re: Cabell: Crichton, Jack and E. J. Anderson, The Middle East Connection (Yemen). Earl Cabell: Cabell’s activity on behalf of the anti-communist organization included a trip to Munich, Germany, during which time he was a featured speaker on the Office of Policy Coordination’s Radio Free Europe. Indeed, Cabell saw the “evils of communism” and weighed in to halt it. On his return, Cabell participated in the founding of the Texas chapter of Ike’s Crusade for Freedom and was joined by among others, Dallas patriots Neil Mallon, D. H. Byrd, Everett DeGolyer, Lewis MacNaughton, Jake Hamon, Robert G. Storey, Jr., Paul Raigorodsky, and a rather obscure name in the annals of Kennedy research, oilman Barron Kidd. 06:02:08 Leslie Sharp: Replying to "Re: Cabell: Crichto..." Barron Kidd Jr.: Kidd was the namesake of his grandfather, Marvin Ulmer who served as Mayor of Midland, Texas in the 1940s. Marvin was the driving force behind the founding of the highly regarded Midland Air Force Base. There is no evidence to date that the Ulmer’s of West Texas were related to Dan Ulmer of Tyler, Texas, and his brother CIA station chief Al Ulmer named elsewhere in this book. Ulmer served as station chief in Madrid in the 1950s and was familiar with Jere Wittington, the agent who was assigned to “watch over” Otto Skorzeny in Madrid.) 06:02:29 Larry Schnapf: Yep- Garrison lived in a beautiful house provided to him at steep discount by a Marcello associate. Garrision used to go to las vegas and get free betting at mob-controlled casinos. he steered clear of mafia in his investifation 06:03:47 Leslie Sharp: Replying to "Re: Cabell: Crichto..." Barron Kidd Oil Co.—whose patriarch was living in the same Turtle Creek condominium high-rise in Dallas as Frank “Brandy” Brandstetter of the 488 Military Intelligence, in 1963—was among the first occupants of Dallas architect T. E. Stanley’s office building located at 3707 Rawlins in the Oaklawn neighborhood in April 1963. This was also the first office space in Dallas for NY based Previews, Inc., employer of Ilse Skorzeny and Herschel V. Williams of Sikorsky’s Tolstoy Foundation. 06:03:48 Don Little: Garrison was considering prosecuting Mayor Cabell for changing the motorcade route. Huh? On what grounds could a New Orleans prosecutor pursue criminal charges against a Dallas resident? 06:04:19 Larry Schnapf: He wasn't risking his presidency to hide the assassination. he wanted to move on and not be paralyzed by a far-reaching investigation that could have gone off in foreign directions he could not control; and interfere with foreign relations. 06:04:43 Cherie Leverette: Reacted to "He wasn't risking hi..." with 👍 06:05:08 Leslie Sharp: Reacted to "He wasn't risking hi..." with 👍 06:06:16 Larry Schnapf: McClellan is not credible. 06:16:37 Larry Schnapf: i have no doubt that the financial network of LBJ was motivated and perhaps even involved in the JFK assassination. But McClellan claiming LBJ participated in the planning of the assassination is not credible. He fabricates scenarios he never witnessed and invents conversations he was not party. 06:16:58 Cherie Leverette: Reacted to "i have no doubt that..." with 👍 06:17:43 Larry Schnapf: Guilt by association is not enough to impute murder to LBJ. But his legal team could have been working for LBJ's financial supporters. 06:19:27 Dory Wiley: more evidence lbj a pawn rather than architect... 06:19:57 Paul Cummings: A willing pawn 06:20:25 Leslie Sharp: Reacted to "more evidence lbj a ..." with 👍 06:21:12 Larry Schnapf: A lawyer’s obligation of confidentiality under Rule 1.05 of the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct continues after the client-lawyer relationship ends (or dies). This is an unethical man. 06:22:09 Larry Schnapf: this so-called evidence fails the red face test and is only credible to a person who has animus towards LBJ 06:28:09 markyoung: Mac Wallace’s idea of a good hit is to shoot an Austin 9-hole golf course manager in broad daylight in front of witnesses. 06:30:03 Leslie Sharp: But Johnson was not Byrd’s only friend. He sat on the board of Amarillo based Dorchester Gas, but one of Bronfman’s Empire Trust concerns under the management of Jack Crichton. Byrd and Crichton’s association has never been fully appreciated. 06:34:20 Larry Schnapf: These are not "proofs" or primary documents but are opinions, self-serving statements and advocates. And it wasn't "LBJ's law firm". they represented him and other clients. But there is no doubt that they represented or were involved problematic people who could have been involved with the assassination. 06:35:40 David Knight: Meeting ID 849 3801 9484 Passcode 007114 06:36:30 Phillip Lavelle: Matt, that was an outstanding presentation. I couldn't pick up anything that I thought was in error from my long years in looking at this. Great Job! 06:36:40 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "Matt, that was an ou..." with ❤️ 06:36:58 MC Armstrong: Thank you, Phillip! I really appreciate it. 06:37:20 Sara Peterson: Thank you all very much. I appreciate you all! 06:37:26 Chad Ford: Reacted to "Matt, that was an ou..." with ❤️ 06:38:15 Dory Wiley: Thanks to everyone! fun day! 06:38:22 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "Thank you all very m..." with ❤️ 06:38:25 MC Armstrong: Reacted to "Thanks to everyone! ..." with ❤️ 06:40:43 greg: Reacted to "Thanks to everyone..." with ❤️ 06:40:57 John Halleran: Reacted to "Thanks to everyone! ..." with ❤️ 06:40:59 John Halleran: Well done everyone! 06:41:00 Edward Thomas: Great stuff. Thank you to all the speakers and the coordinators for the conference. 06:41:40 ht: Reacted to "Great stuff. Thank..." with 👏 06:41:41 Scott Edwards: Enjoyed, thanks to everyone. 06:42:04 Phillip Lavelle: Dear JFK Historical, If Doug Horne chose you guys where to deposit much of his work, that says a real, real lot. Thanks for the great job! I will get out the checkbook. Thanks again. Phillip 06:42:36 Joshua: Thank you so much for organizing this, David and David!!! 06:43:08 Peter: Thank you all, much appreciated! 06:43:56 dentond: Thanks for the kind words everyone! 06:44:26 Shane Smith: Any sorta consensus re: description of Zap. video that purports to show limo driver Green turning and shooting JFK with some kind of weapon?(!) 06:45:12 Dory Wiley: yes. didn't happen. 06:45:19 Chad Ford: Reacted to "yes. didn't happen." with 👍 06:47:36 Peter: Reacted to "yes. didn't happen." with 👍 06:48:06 Phillip Lavelle: Reacted to "yes. didn't happen." with 👍