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Lori Diver: very formal.

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Lori Diver: Either way,

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15852612043: Hello.

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15852612043: Welcome

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15852612043: Thank you.

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Lori Diver: Hello.

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Lori Diver: Okay, six o'clock and kinda like doping the public informational meeting for

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Lori Diver: biermann burly and Barclay road water districts in the talent Sonus I'd like to introduce Dave Doyle from Mr. Big group and Marty. Amen. For the Wayne County Water Authority. Okay, guys.

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Lori Diver: Thank you.

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Lori Diver: Get my name is Steve Doyle and with the Mr. B group where the towns engineer for the water district or potential water district that will discuss tonight.

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Lori Diver: I have given the folks that are here in person, a copy of a handout that I'm going to be talking from and I understand that that handout has been shared with folks that are

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Lori Diver: tuning into the meeting remotely. There's also a map a schematic map of the proposed water district that I believe has been shared with folks as well. And there's a copy of that here.

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Lori Diver: So I'm going to make a brief presentation, based on the handout that's been shared and then we'll take questions that folks have about the project and the process.

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15852612043: So I'll play. I'm sorry. So some of it wasn't share and I can't get on the Zoom is there can be emailed to us. Can you is there on your website where we can look at it.

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Lori Diver: Can you hear me, this is like a

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Lori Diver: Clerk, call me at my office at 315-483-6934

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Lori Diver: And there's a couple ways we can email it or you can get it off from the town website.

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15852612043: As well. Wonderful. Okay, wonderful. Thank you. I'll do that after that, I'll do that. Okay, nine to five tomorrow.

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15852612043: Okay, thank you. Yes.

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Lori Diver: Okay, thank you. So

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Lori Diver: We understand that.

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Lori Diver: Several residents on their main road fairly wrote in Barclay road have asked the town to consider a water district along those roads.

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Lori Diver: And so what we'd like to do tonight is just present some order of magnitude costs. Talk a little bit about how a project like that would proceed.

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Lori Diver: Talk a little bit about how much a project like that would cost homeowners that would be in the district with if the project were to move forward.

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Lori Diver: In the town again will consider the feedback at this meeting to determine, you know whether the project moves forward, whether the town is going to further study the project so

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Lori Diver: This is a very preliminary meeting the numbers that we're going to prevent present our preliminary but I think they'll give you an idea of what to expect. If a water district were to move forward on these roads.

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Lori Diver: The scope of the project is about 21,000 linear feet of eight inch water mean there are approximately 53 homes and the service area and we've estimated the capital cost of rain somewhere between 1.5 and $1.7 million

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Lori Diver: Some of the financing and cost impacts.

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Lori Diver: I'll talk about your the bottom of the handout for those of you who can

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Lori Diver: See that

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Lori Diver: Again, a preliminary range.

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Lori Diver: Are presented and those costs are based on

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Lori Diver: The assumption that rural development would provide a 45% grant with the balance of the cost being paid by a rural development loan, a real development loan is

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Lori Diver: A government agency. It's a federal

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Lori Diver: Agriculture and their charges to help rural communities.

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Lori Diver: Provide public utilities, such as sewer and water, and they do that by providing

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Lori Diver: Accommodations of grants and loans.

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Lori Diver: To try to make those projects as affordable as possible and the loans that they provide.

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Lori Diver: Our long term low interest.

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Lori Diver: Loans 38 year terms with interest rates that

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Lori Diver: 3% right now, the rate

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Lori Diver: For the category that the town of sodas is in would be one in three quarters, but that rate is going to change at the end of December.

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Lori Diver: And the rates of the creeping up a

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Lori Diver: Um, so I presented at the bottom of the handout.

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Lori Diver: per household. So what happens in a project like this is that rural development, what offer a grant. And in this case, we're assuming a 45% grant so 45% of the

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Lori Diver: And we've presented some ranges of numbers.

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Lori Diver: To kind of take into account the fact that the interest rate.

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Lori Diver: Could be anywhere from two to 3% and even that is really just a projection, but we've we've estimated cost a son. Two and a quarter to three and a quarter percent interest.

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Lori Diver: To go along with that 45% grant and again with that range of

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Lori Diver: When the when the talent does a project like this real development offers this grant and loan.

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Lori Diver: The town, on behalf of the district takes out this loan with rural development that has to be paid back over, over a 38 year period. So what happens is every year there is a payment that has to be made on that loan.

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Lori Diver: That the town would make on behalf of the residents and if you take that annual payment and you divide that equally among the people who benefit in this case about 53 homes, you come up with a number and we call that number.

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Lori Diver: And in this case, what we're estimating is that that that service payment could be anywhere from 600 to $800 per year per property or

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Lori Diver: In addition to that, we have shown a regional

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Lori Diver: So without going into a lot of detail the town, along with five other towns in Wayne County are right now in the middle of a little storage project. And there's going to be a regional storage tank built on Brantley Hill in the town of sodas or I'm sorry, in the town of Arcadia

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Lori Diver: That would benefit the town of sodas and five other towns in the surrounding area. And all of those towns along with the Wayne County Water and Sewer authority have come together to make this project.

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Lori Diver: To provide additional resiliency.

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Lori Diver: And redundancy for the water systems for all the folks that are served by it.

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Lori Diver: So, similar to the debt service charge that I talked about for the water districts each resident in every water district in these six towns is going to share in that cost.

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Lori Diver: And we're estimating that the cost annually to each property owner within any of those districts in any of those talents is about $45 per year that service that they would pay

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Lori Diver: I'm actually showing $44 because I believe that's the number that's it for us for 2021 that's what's going to be on the 2021 tax bills.

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Lori Diver: In addition to that, if you decide to hook up to the water.

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Lori Diver: If you're in the district which you don't have to do you're under no obligation to hook up, you will pay for your, for your water based on the authorities, the Wayne County Water and Sewer authorities retail water rates.

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Lori Diver: So if you add up all those numbers you come to kind of a grand total of anywhere between 1012 hundred dollars per year on for public water for this water district.

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Lori Diver: For those of you who can see the second page of the handout, which are the ones I handed out on the back side.

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Lori Diver: On the second page. There are also some one time charges for folks that decide to connect to the water district and

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Lori Diver: There is a connection charge of 1600 dollars that if you choose to connect you would pay to the Water Authority and that connection charge pays for your connection your service connection. So it pays for a tablet, the water main water main from the

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Lori Diver: WATER MAIN service line from a water main. To the right away line a curb stop and then a meter in your home.

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Lori Diver: And then as the homeowner, you would be responsible for running a private water service from the curb stops and into your home and making any forming modifications.

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Lori Diver: That would be necessary to accommodate the meter. So these one time charges would include that 1600 dollar connection charge and whatever costs you would incur

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Lori Diver: Bottom of the page, there are some next steps. Basically, we're kind of here to get feedback from folks on the general program what these order of magnitude costs mean to folks.

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Lori Diver: And I think the town board wants to use the

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Lori Diver: We move forward, whether we start the process to to do the further study that's necessary to bring the project to fruition.

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Lori Diver: And in that case, that would be additional public meetings.

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Lori Diver: And information distributed to people.

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Lori Diver: So that's a quick summary of the program.

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Lori Diver: And I know I went through that quite fast. But I do want to leave most of the time here for folks to answer questions to ask questions. So with that, I would ask if anybody on the board or Marty, if you have anything that you would like to add before we start to take questions from folks.

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Lori Diver: Thanks, Dave. I just wanted to quickly clarify what the role of the authority is in this whole process basically we're an operating entity.

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Lori Diver: The water system would be authorized by the town if the town sees enough interest and there's enough documented interest in the project.

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Lori Diver: Water Authority has a contract with the town to operate the water systems to supply the water are all existing districts in future districts, such as this one. So the Water Authority.

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Lori Diver: stays on the sidelines, pretty much with these projects, until such time that the the town.

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Lori Diver: It's enough evidence. There's enough interest shown to form the district that point, the authority would then add the new district to its surface area list so

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Lori Diver: I can take questions on anything that involves the water supply or the Water Authority practices or rates if those questions emerge.

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Lori Diver: Dave, I do have one question. And Marty.

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Lori Diver: Typically using today, the starting point. What is the timeline for the project.

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Lori Diver: Yeah, that's a great question and I usually tell folks that it's, it's, you know, maybe a year and a half to two years from the inception of a project like this and a conceptual informational meeting like this to the time when you get a shovel in the ground.

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Lori Diver: There are a lot of steps that have to be taken between now and putting a shovel in the ground.

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Lori Diver: There are ENGINEERING REPORTS. There is the creation of the district.

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Lori Diver: Itself. There's the funding application, there's the environmental work that has to be done.

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Lori Diver: All these things. The design the approval by the health department of the plans are there any permits that are needed, so it's it's it's a lengthy process.

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Lori Diver: But it's been a

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Lori Diver: Great program to bring public water to rural areas, particularly in Wayne County.

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Lori Diver: Thank you, dear.

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Lori Diver: Okay, with that will open up the question to the public. M one quick one. I'm not sure if either you kid can answer this, but I've been reading and I know

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Lori Diver: Is there a rough idea what it would cost to put it into the house, you know, the installation.

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Lori Diver: goes by, you know, somewhat like say it's 100 feet as or just a rough idea to give people an idea what it would cost normal

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Lori Diver: Like that. Yeah, I actually listed on the forum here and I kind of skipped over that. But we have been telling people maybe about seven to $10 a foot.

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Lori Diver: And we've been using those numbers for quite a long time. I don't know, Marty. Do you hear anything different from people that that's not a ballad range.

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Lori Diver: Cost. Now you're saying anywhere between or your estimation 2000 1200 annually. Correct. Yes. So if we break that down if my math is correct. Just under $4 a day or for water there. But right

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Lori Diver: It could be. I didn't do the math, anyway. But that's why I'm just trying for those people in a room and so forth one run it by 365 days a year where we're coming somewhere around $4 yeah the higher range at 1200 would be about $100 a month.

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Lori Diver: Source point, the people may have about $235 a quarter so it's it's definitely more

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Lori Diver: Okay. So are we done here. Anybody out there have a question before you ask you that, I'd like you to state your name and your address.

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Lori Diver: And then go ahead with your question please.

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Megann Johnson: Yeah. Hi. This is Michelle Oh

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15852612043: Sorry, go ahead. No, you go.

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15852612043: Okay, this is

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15852612043: Michelle my own two properties on biermann road.

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15852612043: If five eight to four.

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15852612043: And my question is, so if we get the Rural Development Grant 45% that leaves the 55% of the loan. Does the timeless sodas pickup or response for any part of that, mon.

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Lori Diver: Know the town can't be responsible for any of the loan special districts in New York, including water districts

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Lori Diver: That they have to be paid for by the people who benefit from those projects.

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Lori Diver: Nobody else can help pay for this, but the people who benefit. So in this case, that would be the 53 or so homeowners that would benefit from the public water have to pay all the costs.

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Lori Diver: So the loan would be the responsibility of those people, the town would average obviously administered alone and you would see this annual payment on your tax bill.

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15852612043: For the debt service portion

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Lori Diver: Which is the portion that we're estimating at 1600 dollars per

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Lori Diver: The cost of the water, you would see on a quarterly basis at a separate bill from the

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15852612043: Then if property is sold that basically goes with the wouldn't hold a sale of a property. Am I correct and that

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Lori Diver: You know that that costs would be the tax bill on the property, regardless of who owns

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15852612043: Held on the okay tell them the property. Okay, thank you very much.

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Lori Diver: Thank you, Michelle.

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Megann Johnson: Hi.

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13157277471: My name is Megan Johnson.

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Lori Diver: Then you know this is obviously a great option for people, which I'm sure is why the

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Lori Diver: The time to make that decision would be during this formative process. So I think that the town board needs to have enough feedback from folks before it applies for funding before it begins the district creation process to have a pretty good idea that

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Lori Diver: The real majority of residents in this whole area, including all the roads that are presented on that map what support the project.

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Lori Diver: If, during this formative process it's determined that there is one road that you know that people really aren't supportive of it, then the time to take that road out of the mix would be that. And then the district would be formed with perhaps the remaining two roads and the other road.

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Lori Diver: During that formative process. There's also the opportunity to add other roads like bond road that that may want to be in the mix and we obviously haven't looked at that formally

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Lori Diver: Right. I mean, if, if, if all these roads that we're talking about tonight if this project.

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Lori Diver: It's it's somewhat back to the drawing board. If there are folks that bind road that would be interested in public water, we would have to look at those costs, it may be combined bud road with maybe other roads that may have expressed interest.

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Lori Diver: Get because I don't think I'm not sure I just heard about it yesterday. And I'm reading the paper. So I don't think there's a lot of information out there. Yeah, the possibility of it.

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Lori Diver: So we started Jackie Jones came from pyramid road to me and started a petition and she got I think all but one or two other people live on that road all for that. And then I had a couple people call me.

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Lori Diver: Barely could come out. If they don't, if they're not interested Barclay can come out. I know there's great interest on vermin road.

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Lori Diver: Just from the petition itself bond road could be added like that. So we're just trying to get a feel for

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Lori Diver: What's his name, but as long as we're driving. Yeah. Now, I mean,

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Lori Diver: If you're a global warming person and you know I know there's more and more people have an issue in my house. I mean, I've got, I've been there for 37 years now. Ready water issue at all hard soft NASA hard water.

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Lori Diver: Thank you very much. Thanks way. Um, I also got a call from a Resume Builder important and they have between

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Lori Diver: Remember the roads ritual house and Wayne center road or whatever that random dream. There was, I mean there. I think there was, I think he told me 15 to 20

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Lori Diver: One thing I should clarify, I talked a little bit about the further study that would need to be done if

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Lori Diver: If the feedback from this meeting results in the conclusion that you know people are supportive of a project like this and that these range of costs.

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Lori Diver: Hydraulics we haven't done any hydraulic calculations to confirm pressures and flow is that are available intuitively it certainly seems like they would be more connecting

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Lori Diver: Ridge Road and soda center road on to have these roads grouping them together. So there isn't a reason to believe that we would have any issues here. But again, this is the some of the further study that would need to be done. You know those calculations would actually have to be run

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Lori Diver: They would like water down that road, but there's only two mountains. Yeah.

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Lori Diver: Anybody else out there or against it for like to hear about it.

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Lori Diver: If you're against that we like to hear about it. That's what the readings about on so please speak up.

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Bruce Beal: Every question and I live in Berkeley road um when you run the tunnel monitor Dumbarton or the firewalls responsible for any of this cost or no.

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Lori Diver: Emergency services covered. No, no.

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Lori Diver: On the fire. Correct. I'm not sure if you heard that.

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Lori Diver: Stream and said that you know they don't charge for the water that the fire department takes out of the hose and they're fighting a fire.

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Lori Diver: Not an insurance guy, but I bet between five and 10% on your homeowners policy within 20 feet of a fire hydrant. I know, I know I do.

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Lori Diver: Something you have to look into yourself.

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Lori Diver: Yep, no. I appreciate it. No question of bring them up. We need all the questions or comments, we can get. That's what this is about. So anything else.

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Bruce Beal: Sorry.

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Bruce Beal: My name is all Wanda. And that was my brother Robert Snyder, who lives on the road. That was just had that question about the fire halls. Um, now in the past. I know that recently the water department was taken over by another entity or something like that.

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Bruce Beal: I'm not in the past when other roads have gotten town water, have they also had to pay for all of these, these fees or did the town just pick up the cost

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Lori Diver: What, no, no, we have right now at least lemon lemon water district.

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Lori Diver: We've had quite a few. Some have been paid off summer that old. I've been paying off, but every single water district that and we'll

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Lori Diver: Go ahead. I was going to say the fees that you see on their Wanda, with the exception of the regional water storage tank is fees that were associated. The town also

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Lori Diver: Charged however the fees are different, a little bit from what the town charge to what you charge money yeah so early. Yeah. Very. And again, our several years out on the agreement. So the connection charges, very similar to what the town is in place at the very end, there's

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Lori Diver: I think it's only like $100 difference did that. Yeah, it's very minimal.

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Bruce Beal: So then, um, now I know this doesn't pertain to Bruce and I, but people that especially elderly people that get the star in the advanced star. Um, now with these fees being added on to their yearly taxes. Is that going to decrease the amount if I get the star and the advanced star.

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Lori Diver: There's to my now there's no adjustment made in that regard the full levy would go to all text favors that are within the district is

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Lori Diver: I think that would be good. Yeah, Dave, you didn't, didn't necessarily point out, I don't think. But vacant properties along the way. If there's no

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Lori Diver: Household on it or no no structure that's going to use water. The town has a very small church. What is it, fix that 5% of that service charge in amounts day

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Lori Diver: I think in sodas, the charge for bacon unimproved property amounts to, you know, maybe $10 a year 10 to $20 a year. It's a nominal amount to recognize the that there is still a benefit there.

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Lori Diver: That would only apply for vacant thought approved properties. Okay, so it could be like a build a lot or I mean

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Lori Diver: to belittle I but just a piece of ground that they could build out right. Exactly right. DAVE IT'S 20. Yeah, good question. If, if they make a lot than somebody knows the house on a will been thought into this

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Lori Diver: Rejection do whatever it is that's correct. So if somebody has a buildable lot that right now is unimproved and they're paying that $20

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Lori Diver: If they build a house on that property, then they're going to start paying the following year they'll start paying the full that service. So if more than 20 holders without that would be divided out and everybody's rate would go down. That's correct.

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John Faulks: And then I have a question for you. This is john Fox.

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John Faulks: What are the long term ramifications of the decisions that people might be making. Now, for instance, if the folks on Burley road were to decide that they didn't want water. Now, what

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Bruce Beal: 1.5 to 1.7 million. Yes.

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Bruce Beal: Okay, and then it says, everyone's taxes are going up 800 a year.

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Lori Diver: Is we know who that is.

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Bruce Beal: That comes to one is

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Bruce Beal: Price went there for detractors

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John Faulks: Just to be a little bit shorter. If the folks on burly road were decided today, not to be a part of this water district and five years, seven years down the line.

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John Faulks: Through you know changeover of homeowners or they their Wells dry up whatever could happen. What are the ramifications if they don't join the district now.

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Bruce Beal: Last one. Yeah.

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Lori Diver: You know, one ramification would be that, you know, five years from now, especially what we've been seeing in the construction industry. This last five years, the costs could be significantly higher.

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Lori Diver: It specifically with an example of a burly road which is a relatively short road comparatively to the rest of the project.

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Lori Diver: It could be difficult to do a project like that at such a small scale. Now, it could

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Lori Diver: And get it funded it could be done, but that would be a very small project.

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Lori Diver: A tricky area to go pick up five years later. If you don't have these other roads to combine with it. That doesn't mean that we couldn't combine it with some other roads and another area. But again, in general, the ramification is that

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Lori Diver: It could be a while before Public Water comes available to an area like that, after the need is identified to say five years later.

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Lori Diver: The need is identified five years later, it could be seven to eight years before that could actually be a solution to that problem and the costs could be significantly higher.

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John Faulks: Right. Thank you very much.

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Lori Diver: And that's kind of why we're grouping. We're trying to group as many together as possible to spread the cost out

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Lori Diver: throughout many go to try to make it a little bit more

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Cody Freeman: This is Mike from five eight to five Barclay wrote this. I have two questions for you.

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Cody Freeman: One was just I heard it mentioned earlier with the fire department if waterlines get installed, then a water hydrants will be installed as well.

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Lori Diver: That's correct.

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Cody Freeman: Okay, thank you, then it's the other second question. If the waterline does get installed exact having to pay the annual debt service well

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Cody Freeman: Us assessments and housing the adjusted

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Cody Freeman: With the increase our assessments, basically. So we pay more in taxes as well. Besides the increase in the water fee.

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Lori Diver: Well, I get this question and almost every one of these meetings and I guess I'll, I'll answer it the way that I have heard

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Lori Diver: A number of assessors who President these meetings answer that question. So the answer that I have heard assessors give is that there's no switch that says once you have public water.

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Lori Diver: Your assessment is automatically going to be raised so

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Lori Diver: Your assessment, you know, is based on the market conditions and the market value of your home predominantly I think so.

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Lori Diver: I think it could be fairly said that once your road has public water and houses start to sell.

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Lori Diver: I think that houses in general will gradually be worth more because public water is on on your road and that could eventually, you know, gradually, raise your assessment.

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Lori Diver: That's the way I've heard assessors answer this question. Yeah. Yeah. That's correct. Day. I did have a short discussion with our professor made about that and

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Lori Diver: It does not mean that your assessment will go up when water goes in, but it does you know like Dave said raises the value of a home possibly and assessments are based on like sales and and values. So it would, you know, it would be based on sales, not on whether you have water not

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Lori Diver: That's where I heard it to

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Cody Freeman: Okay, thank you for the answer.

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Right.

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Lori Diver: Or maybe 16066 Barclay road.

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Lori Diver: If I understand this, right.

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Lori Diver: You put the water line down i don't i don't choose to walk up to it. I'm still paying taxes if you're still paying capital debt service center.

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13155730517: At the initial run through

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Lori Diver: That's when you're offering

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Lori Diver: Or you can you can hook up a BT or you can hook up 10 years from now. Did you not leaving any, anything to do. Okay, so say the line is across the road. Uh huh. But that's, that's sort of a bottom line for me to run the line over to my house versus having it on my side.

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Lori Diver: Same same car. So the 1600 dollars is the same cost for whether you're on the same side of the road is the water main or on the opposite side, you don't you don't get penalized for having a water main. On the other side of the road. In other words,

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Lori Diver: The vacant lot thing that you are talking about. That's something that

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Lori Diver: Those who are opting into the service.

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13155730517: Or is that something that town is

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Lori Diver: Um, well, I guess just to clarify,

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Lori Diver: If you have

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Lori Diver: A home in the water district, you're going to pay this

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Lori Diver: Capital debt service that we've estimated here at 60 $800 per you're talking about the banking right if you

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Lori Diver: Alternatively, if you have a vacant property and unimproved vacant property.

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Lori Diver: You're not going to pay that 1600 dollars per year, you're going to pay what the town typically charges at $20 per year in recognition that there's still a benefit there. So it's a it's a nominal charge for a vacant property as opposed to a full debt service charge for a whole

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13155730517: Thing that

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13155730517: The water tower something you put in the ground.

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Lori Diver: It's a, it's a water tank, it's a it's a standpipe it's it's not a tank on legs like you sometimes see but it's a it's a traditional water car, it's a it's a water tank. It's going to be up on branding hill.

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Lori Diver: Or a water tower or is it just something you're going to sit on the ground, sits on the ground. Okay 40 feet wall. I agree.

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Lori Diver: It's a 2 million gallon tank.

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13155730517: That was mainly advocating for those who

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Lori Diver: Want it I myself. I have Greg water on my well I don't want

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Lori Diver: Okay.

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Lori Diver: I guess that's my god. Okay.

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13155730517: Thank you very much. My objections is not to have water run to my

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Lori Diver: Thank you. Thank you.

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Cody Freeman: What is the percentage of the vote that has to be approved for this project to go through. Is it just majority vote.

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Cody Freeman: And how does that voting happen for the residents.

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Lori Diver: When it comes time to actually create the water district and that happens after this formative stage when the town board has determined through the feedback that it receives from meetings like this.

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Lori Diver: And and perhaps letters and mailings or what have you. Eventually toward is going to get to a point where there's going to be a project and at that time.

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Lori Diver: The town. Well, on behalf of those residents submit a funding application to rural development.

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Lori Diver: And after Rural Development has offered a funding.

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Lori Diver: Package and has obligated funds for the project.

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Lori Diver: And the town will go about creating a legal water district. And when that happens, there's a couple of different ways to do that.

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Lori Diver: I believe that the town of sodas has traditionally used the petition method which is article 12 of the town law.

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Lori Diver: And so an engineering report will be prepared. We call it a map plan, a report that describes the project describes the cost of the project describes the financial impacts to the residents. A lot of the information that we've presented tonight in draft form.

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Lori Diver: And then there's a legal article 12 petition that's distributed to the residents and sometimes that's done at public informational meetings. Sometimes there'll be a resident on a road who's very interested in the project you will carry that petition to people.

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Lori Diver: But basically what happens is that in order for the district to move forward you valid.

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Lori Diver: Two tests have to be met with that petition. So the signatures on that petition have to represent

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Lori Diver: At least 50% of the total assessed value of the properties that are within the proposal water district.

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Lori Diver: The second test says that those signatures have to represent at least 50% of the assessed value of properties that are owned by resident owners, so

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Lori Diver: Second test basically presents a large industry from carrying the day if they have a very large assessment and could basically

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Lori Diver: Carry the boat, so to speak.

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Lori Diver: And you know force residents who may otherwise not not want public water to pay for it. So both of those tests have to be passed so

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Lori Diver: Under the petition method, the vote, so to speak, is you either sign the petition or you don't. If you're in favor of the project you sign the petition. If you're not, you don't sign it.

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Lori Diver: And then the assessor makes a calculation to determine that those 250 percent tests have been passed and if they have, then the district gets formed

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Lori Diver: You. Thank you.

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Megann Johnson: Hi this is Megan Johnson from seven to eight burly road again I'm so

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Megann Johnson: From my understanding, it looks like the petition came from biermann but barely was added in, because we're connected. Um, but

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Megann Johnson: I guess my question is, is they

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Megann Johnson: When do you decide like or how do you decide if it's even worth I'm applying for that grant and everything that you're talking about.

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Megann Johnson: Like like is like TONIGHT. TONIGHT, where people can say like, yeah, I want it. No, I don't want it is they're gonna like do you apply for the grant. And then you're doing, you know, waiting until you do that to do the petition about whether people want it or not.

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Lori Diver: It could be good, but I'll just speak for bourbon bourbon road is one that kind of initiated this in quite a few signatures and we're just looking to connect to as much road as we could.

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13155730517: So,

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13155730517: Yeah.

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Lori Diver: biermann is driving this forward. We thought that

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Lori Diver: There were people on Burley or Barkley that they wanted public water that we would try to do it as a combined district.

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Go ahead, Dave.

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Lori Diver: You know these things come together, you know, not, not always the exact same way on every project, but normally at a meeting like this, we would ask for a show of hands, and that, especially for well attended public informational meetings, usually gives the board a pretty good idea

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Lori Diver: Sometimes the board will have a sign in sheet for every road and the last people to sign. Yeah. Yes, that they're still interested or know that they're not based on the information they heard on that night.

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Lori Diver: The world we live in right now. This is a little more challenging to figure out, so

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Lori Diver: I think that we'll have to collectively work together to figure out how to get a good pulse of what people think about this.

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Lori Diver: Maybe, maybe it's a letter that goes out with a checkbox, yes or no, based on on the information that was presented tonight, but in some fashion, the board has to be

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Lori Diver: Informed enough to make an informed decision to act on behalf of the people in this area.

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Lori Diver: In terms of

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Lori Diver: You know, doing what the majority of the people seem to really want. And so we're not we're not going to be there tonight.

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Lori Diver: But I there's going to have to be a way that that we get there. And I think we can find a way to get there. We've, we've done all kinds of different things.

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Lori Diver: Working with Tom boards to get the word out and to to get to the point where, where the board feels comfortable that, you know, this is what the majority of the people wanted. That's where we need to be

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Lori Diver: Which would require probably someone you know that heads called and asked about markley the past petition or I could go with them or whatever. I mean, what I'm getting Barclay might not be

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Lori Diver: That interested but biermann I pretty much know is, but then possibly we could add on bond.

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Lori Diver: And other roads that are interested. So yeah, this is, I mean, this is there's no decision you're going to be made tonight.

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Okay, thank you.

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Lori Diver: Anybody else

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Lori Diver: Well, David in Murray, would it be over to generate

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Lori Diver: As you mentioned a letter a mailing and seem to be

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Lori Diver: Probably the most proper way to do it. Now, given what the coronal arrows and everything and get that out first and see what if we weren't it correctly.

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Lori Diver: How quickly nestled back and go from there. Yes or no. Yeah. Well, yeah. Simple. Yeah, you're probably going to get some

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Lori Diver: reviews that option, but at least the starting point right I frankly a number of talents. We work with have done that over the years.

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Lori Diver: You know, because

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Lori Diver: You know, sometimes you don't get a great turnouts at public informational meetings, whether it be whether or or what have you. So even pre pandemic. That's about it. That has been used by the number of towns and what we have seen is a simple letter that describes the project.

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Lori Diver: Perhaps attaching or in closing with that letter of the information so that people can see what what the project is all about alone with a man and then asked people to check if

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Bruce Beal: You want to share

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Lori Diver: Those estimated costs and see what kind of responses.

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Lori Diver: Yeah, thank you.

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Bruce Beal: Okay, we've got one thing here up Bruce Bo property owner and Barclay grow. I do want to make it just for the record that Barclay road is interested in this water district.

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Bruce Beal: And the other thing that I wanted to ask as you originally stated that the cost of the project is 1.5 to 1.7 million now is that with or without the 45% world development of gram gram

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Lori Diver: Well, that would be the total capital cost of the project, irrespective of the grant so

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Lori Diver: When

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Lori Diver: When we calculated these estimated costs per user, you know, particularly the debt service of six to $800 per year.

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Lori Diver: Those numbers were were based on the fact that the assumption that there would be a 45% brand. In other words, town would only be borrowing, on behalf of the district 55% of that 1.5 to 1.7 million. And that's how we calculated the six $800

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Bruce Beal: Okay, so then jar six to $800 per year per house that's with the 45% grant

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Lori Diver: That's correct.

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Bruce Beal: Okay well $800 per year.

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Bruce Beal: A type starting gate.

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Bruce Beal: Years times on approximately 53 house orgs comes up to 1.6 million, whereas the 45% grant volume in there.

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Lori Diver: Yeah.

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Lori Diver: Well, you've got interest over 38 years. It's not a large amount of interest, but you do have interest.

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Lori Diver: Yes.

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Bruce Beal: Personally from my math. I kind of think that the 60 $800 as an

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13157277471: Inflated number

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And

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Bruce Beal: I don't know that. Maybe I'm maybe I'm speaking out of turn here.

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Bruce Beal: But I think that that number.

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Bruce Beal: Should be looked at only bit closer.

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13157277471: And maybe

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Bruce Beal: The actual interest rate.

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13157277471: About

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Bruce Beal: Should be shown as well.

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Bruce Beal: Not just a percentage. The actual dollar amount

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13157277471: So that people can get a grasp of that.

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Amy Kendall: Well, the

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Amy Kendall: Daily candle on

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Attorney

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Amy Kendall: Interest rate depends on

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One.

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13157277471: Project is financed.

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Amy Kendall: And we have to

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Amy Kendall: The town can only do certain types of

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Amy Kendall: finance team so we

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Amy Kendall: Have to

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Amy Kendall: A bond market.

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Amy Kendall: To get financing, so it would really depend on

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Timing

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Amy Kendall: So I don't think the interest rate.

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13157277471: Thing we can

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Amy Kendall: Calculate at this point I think

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Amy Kendall: David's done a great job of

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13157277471: explaining this process tonight.

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Amy Kendall: If there's a decision to the

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Amy Kendall: Word.

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13157277471: He would need

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Amy Kendall: To refine his calculations and as he

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Amy Kendall: Mentioned eventually prepare a

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Amy Kendall: Map plan report that will have

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13157277471: Much more definitive

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Amy Kendall: Numbers in it.

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Bruce Beal: And I just want to add, I don't dispute that David has done a

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Bruce Beal: Wonderful job.

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Of

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Bruce Beal: presenting this tonight. I think that it's been

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Bruce Beal: Very informative. I just think that everybody involved in these

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Bruce Beal: On these routes in this district.

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13157277471: Probably

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Bruce Beal: Looking at

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Bruce Beal: Like you said,

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13157277471: numbers that are going to be

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Bruce Beal: More defined

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Bruce Beal: Once the project.

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Bruce Beal: Is actually moving forward.

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Bruce Beal: And I appreciate your and

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Lori Diver: I just did some some quick math on the 1.7 million that 55% that we will be financing.

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00:56:55.680 --> 00:56:57.660
13157277471: 930 $5,000

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00:56:58.230 --> 00:56:59.850
Lori Diver: And at two and a quarter percent

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13157277471: 23,335

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Lori Diver: A year, which ends up at

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Lori Diver: $888,250 of interest over 38 years. I don't know if they pay down

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Lori Diver: The interest, like a board.

553
00:57:14.040 --> 00:57:15.180
13157277471: Is on a thing. If it's

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Lori Diver: Loaded

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Lori Diver: To the front but

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Lori Diver: I just did that quickly just to

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Lori Diver: Help to show that you are right. It does get about 1.7 even after the the 45%

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Lori Diver: Thing is there, but

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Lori Diver: 180,000 of that is interest. Right.

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Okay.

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Amy Kendall: David

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Amy Kendall: Maybe you can just

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Amy Kendall: I mean, we do a lot of these water districts

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Are

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13157277471: I

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Amy Kendall: Like that number is about right.

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Amy Kendall: Based on the other water.

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Amy Kendall: Districts we've seen, maybe you could just

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13157277471: Either

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Amy Kendall: Refresh my recollection or it does seem like that's about

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Right.

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Lori Diver: Which which number Amy are you

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Under yeah

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Lori Diver: The thousand to 1200

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Yeah.

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Lori Diver: Yeah, well,

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Lori Diver: Yeah, for example, we had a similar meeting exactly two months ago in in Iran, and I think I presented, then a range of 12 to 1400 dollars for that.

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00:58:24.750 --> 00:58:27.060
Lori Diver: District and that was

579
00:58:28.470 --> 00:58:34.860
Lori Diver: That was about a $3.1 million capital costs for about 73 homes.

580
00:58:35.970 --> 00:58:45.840
Lori Diver: Again, with a 45% grant. So a little higher there because there was less density of of homes along those roads that we have here.

581
00:58:46.770 --> 00:58:55.680
Lori Diver: But these are the kind of numbers that we've been, you know, we've been seeing, you know, over the last couple of years for the areas that we've been looking at

582
00:58:57.600 --> 00:58:59.520
Lori Diver: Doing another project in Arcadia

583
00:59:01.290 --> 00:59:11.310
Lori Diver: I think in that case, we actually have applied for funding and there. There is a preliminary engineering report that sells these things out. Now one came out to be about 1200 dollars a year.

584
00:59:12.750 --> 00:59:18.960
Lori Diver: That's about a $3.8 million project with about 130 homes.

585
00:59:20.610 --> 00:59:30.600
Lori Diver: So this is pretty comparable to what we've been we've been seeing across the county, these are numbers, the numbers that we had. I never point and right 14. All right.

586
00:59:31.020 --> 00:59:47.550
John Faulks: Scott This is john Fox. Um, I think what we what we really should look at doing is with this informational letter that we are talking about sending out perhaps if David could supply us with some comparable numbers.

587
00:59:47.940 --> 00:59:48.780
13157277471: For

588
00:59:48.870 --> 00:59:53.610
John Faulks: Other towns and other districts that have gone in, so that people can actually look at that.

589
00:59:55.050 --> 01:00:02.820
John Faulks: And compare it against it projections that he's made here. I think it might be very helpful for for those folks to see that.

590
01:00:02.820 --> 01:00:05.430
Lori Diver: Information. I agree. And I think we can even get it.

591
01:00:05.550 --> 01:00:09.360
Lori Diver: From my last couple that we've done so they get numbers from those

592
01:00:09.750 --> 01:00:12.720
John Faulks: And that would be great. That's as close as it gets.

593
01:00:15.090 --> 01:00:15.420
13155730517: John

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01:00:16.230 --> 01:00:17.010
Lori Diver: Can hear me.

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01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:18.990
John Faulks: Yes.

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01:00:19.290 --> 01:00:23.700
Lori Diver: Um, yeah, we can get that rate on our information so

597
01:00:24.180 --> 01:00:28.230
John Faulks: Fantastic. That should definitely I think the part of the letter we send out. Okay.

598
01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:29.550
No.

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01:00:31.470 --> 01:00:31.860
Lori Diver: Be

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01:00:32.370 --> 01:00:33.780
Lori Diver: In Marty, I got one question.

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01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:40.200
Lori Diver: When would you be you, you mentioned about Andrea, would you be. I know that a lot of homes on Power Girl.

602
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:47.070
Lori Diver: Yeah. Would you be willing to campus those homes and see what's the intuitive and big backup.

603
01:00:48.600 --> 01:00:49.260
13155730517: Got there.

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01:00:50.010 --> 01:00:58.110
Lori Diver: If something out sales was in need sleep three somewhere we might be a little so that I'll, I'll, it's got to do the same with Pilgrim port.

605
01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:05.160
Lori Diver: Forwarding port. Thank you. I just put a word of caution out about comparing the past districts, because

606
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:17.640
Lori Diver: I've been doing this for about 20 years and I'm going to tell you the cost projections tonight or about they were when we started. So in the answer to an earlier question yeah perils of waiting on a district.

607
01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:25.710
Lori Diver: When we when I did my first district that I can recall back in Arcadia the Total number was 450 to $500 a year.

608
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:39.810
Lori Diver: And it's gone progressively up. And so when you compare. If you want to look at comparable districts. You got to look within the last year to construction houses have escalated significantly. So you don't want to go back that this for 10 or no.

609
01:01:39.990 --> 01:01:42.360
Lori Diver: And you want to look at in just recently.

610
01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:49.290
Lori Diver: As a result of this, or as part of the regional tank project the six towns that were involved.

611
01:01:49.590 --> 01:01:51.300
Lori Diver: On and primarily Iran.

612
01:01:51.660 --> 01:01:59.010
Lori Diver: Sonus in Arcadia took a look at their most recent districts and came up with those people along the route of the new improvements.

613
01:01:59.010 --> 01:02:01.260
Lori Diver: There they were going to set the debt service at

614
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:02.190
Lori Diver: 545

615
01:02:02.250 --> 01:02:02.700
Lori Diver: A year.

616
01:02:03.240 --> 01:02:14.130
Lori Diver: Plus the 45 plus the estimated cost of water here, but you're right close to that thousand dollar range. So data analysis has been done and these costs are really pretty relevant today.

617
01:02:14.580 --> 01:02:16.710
Lori Diver: For a couple largely rural just

618
01:02:17.850 --> 01:02:18.210
Lori Diver: Not enough

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01:02:18.450 --> 01:02:21.510
John Faulks: And I couldn't. I agree completely. I just think people

620
01:02:22.650 --> 01:02:26.160
John Faulks: Want to make sure that they are getting the same

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01:02:26.250 --> 01:02:30.150
John Faulks: Relative deal that other people and other districts have gotten

622
01:02:30.270 --> 01:02:32.610
Lori Diver: Definitely be within the last year or two.

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13155730517: David, if they

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01:02:37.050 --> 01:02:44.670
Lori Diver: Purchase a if if from the conversion with other towns, if we. Let's say that 200 pounds.

625
01:02:45.900 --> 01:02:48.120
Lori Diver: incremental difference wouldn't be that much.

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01:02:49.800 --> 01:03:04.230
Lori Diver: So for example, let's say if the rest of sort of similar to South Geneva load and just south of the human ode to where the water main. If there is, if that added to it, it would

627
01:03:05.070 --> 01:03:05.610
13157277471: Probably

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01:03:06.030 --> 01:03:06.420
Lori Diver: Like the

629
01:03:06.450 --> 01:03:10.290
Lori Diver: Cost per unit would not change much.

630
01:03:11.520 --> 01:03:18.180
Lori Diver: It wouldn't if you assume that you've got the same number of homes per mile of water made that you have to put in, let's say,

631
01:03:22.950 --> 01:03:35.160
Lori Diver: You're on the other hand, if you had a road that you wanted to add to this project that you had to put in a mile a water main to say make a connection, but there were only two homes along that road that this number would go off. So it's all about

632
01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:37.920
13155730517: The density of homes for

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01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:40.560
13155730517: Sure.

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01:03:41.670 --> 01:03:44.820
Amy Kendall: And just to add on to that. That's why we were even discussing

635
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.250
13157277471: Early road because

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01:03:49.140 --> 01:03:57.720
Amy Kendall: It's a concentration of homes near what is gonna be, you know, part of the Berman road at least the Berman.

637
01:03:57.720 --> 01:03:58.830
13157277471: Road water.

638
01:03:58.950 --> 01:04:01.290
Amy Kendall: District whether Barclay is included.

639
01:04:01.290 --> 01:04:01.770
13157277471: Or not.

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01:04:06.060 --> 01:04:06.690
Lori Diver: Anybody else

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01:04:09.720 --> 01:04:11.100
Bruce Beal: Yes. This is Wanda.

642
01:04:11.490 --> 01:04:18.030
Bruce Beal: Again, three different times. I've heard during this zoom meeting about Berkeley row, not being

643
01:04:18.060 --> 01:04:18.930
Interested

644
01:04:19.980 --> 01:04:21.000
Bruce Beal: Berkeley road.

645
01:04:21.060 --> 01:04:23.160
13157277471: Is interesting um

646
01:04:23.610 --> 01:04:25.410
Bruce Beal: I know we have been

647
01:04:25.470 --> 01:04:26.820
Bruce Beal: uptown to the town of

648
01:04:26.820 --> 01:04:27.540
Bruce Beal: Sodas

649
01:04:27.570 --> 01:04:31.080
Bruce Beal: For the last two, three years, asking about town water.

650
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:31.680
Bruce Beal: So,

651
01:04:31.890 --> 01:04:34.830
Bruce Beal: Barclay road is interesting.

652
01:04:36.330 --> 01:04:37.380
Amy Kendall: When we get further

653
01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:37.830
Amy Kendall: Down.

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01:04:38.160 --> 01:04:44.910
Lori Diver: I'm sorry, Scott. I did. I never said they were interested, I did. They didn't pass a petition larger

655
01:04:46.410 --> 01:04:57.120
Lori Diver: One one resident express his may well be a great not interested. But I think that's the only one from Barclay. Well, hold on a second reason we didn't

656
01:04:57.210 --> 01:04:58.410
13157277471: Do the petition.

657
01:04:58.620 --> 01:05:00.450
Lori Diver: We had somebody who is going to pass it.

658
01:05:00.750 --> 01:05:11.340
Lori Diver: Is because we held up because we're talking about combining these roads until we had this meeting, we were going to wait right past that petition so

659
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:12.690
13157277471: That'll come in the next round.

660
01:05:13.350 --> 01:05:14.160
Will send out our

661
01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:19.080
13157277471: Kind of both things and

662
01:05:19.530 --> 01:05:20.610
Lori Diver: You can certainly be hurting

663
01:05:21.300 --> 01:05:25.470
Lori Diver: With your vote there Barclay. I'm not an

664
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:27.960
13157277471: Opinion on Barclay either way.

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01:05:30.450 --> 01:05:30.750
Good.

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01:05:40.020 --> 01:05:43.140
Lori Diver: Sorry, could you repeat that we present the next meeting.

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01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:45.930
Lori Diver: I can be. Yeah.

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01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.960
Lori Diver: We usually have them. They're wondering how this shirt.

669
01:05:53.010 --> 01:05:58.230
Lori Diver: So if we send out our check yes or no letters and that comes back. Yes, and

670
01:05:58.680 --> 01:06:00.900
13157277471: We contact them and I think we can

671
01:06:01.380 --> 01:06:04.800
Lori Diver: Keep the ball rolling. If it comes back know them.

672
01:06:06.150 --> 01:06:16.950
Lori Diver: Well, they had silence Berman comes back right say 20 homes. You got 14 and favor German seems the lineup right play if you haven't already responded. Oh.

673
01:06:17.370 --> 01:06:29.970
Lori Diver: This is what Arcadia does all the time. Yeah, them several roles that district based on a response. And that's why I'd like to include bond and men Pilgrim port and, you know, and leave it up to the resonance. I'm not

674
01:06:31.950 --> 01:06:34.260
Lori Diver: Either way to attach this

675
01:06:34.290 --> 01:06:36.150
Lori Diver: flyer, though, because if he asked

676
01:06:36.150 --> 01:06:37.620
Lori Diver: People or not you want water.

677
01:06:37.710 --> 01:06:38.910
Or some, raise your hand. Yes.

678
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.310
Lori Diver: It does cost rates.

679
01:06:46.200 --> 01:06:46.500
Lori Diver: Right.

680
01:06:47.850 --> 01:06:51.330
Lori Diver: Before the meeting date you and I were talking to dominate.

681
01:06:51.780 --> 01:06:54.480
Lori Diver: The area, the southeast area of soda.

682
01:06:54.990 --> 01:06:56.730
Lori Diver: In the water does

683
01:06:57.990 --> 01:07:00.660
Lori Diver: Seem to be moving in that direction would bond road already

684
01:07:05.040 --> 01:07:05.850
Lori Diver: Area down

685
01:07:12.720 --> 01:07:12.990
There.

686
01:07:14.070 --> 01:07:16.680
Lori Diver: Yeah, we have. We have begun to look at that as well.

687
01:07:17.820 --> 01:07:18.000
Lori Diver: As

688
01:07:18.450 --> 01:07:19.080
13157277471: Interesting.

689
01:07:19.830 --> 01:07:22.230
Lori Diver: As the numbers projected with the

690
01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:24.600
Owner right administering

691
01:07:26.670 --> 01:07:27.060
Almost

692
01:07:30.210 --> 01:07:32.190
Lori Diver: Dave. In the past we have sent

693
01:07:32.190 --> 01:07:32.970
13157277471: Out letters.

694
01:07:33.660 --> 01:07:34.740
13157277471: Like a chat box.

695
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:36.360
Lori Diver: With some information.

696
01:07:36.870 --> 01:07:37.590
Lori Diver: And we

697
01:07:37.620 --> 01:07:38.910
Lori Diver: Have pretty good success.

698
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:39.450
13157277471: Getting

699
01:07:39.540 --> 01:07:51.720
Lori Diver: A majority of them back. Yeah. And we've done that in the past and it's worked out pretty well in the beginning stages. Yeah, yeah. Usually, you get a fairly good response on those. Yeah.

700
01:07:57.990 --> 01:07:58.380
Lori Diver: Okay.

701
01:07:59.580 --> 01:08:00.420
Lori Diver: Anybody else

702
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:02.820
Cody Freeman: The. A lot of us can be south to the

703
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:06.210
Cody Freeman: Homeowners that has like all the debt service charges.

704
01:08:06.600 --> 01:08:07.860
Cody Freeman: Does that have the

705
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.620
Cody Freeman: Engineering requirements from the homeowners for

706
01:08:10.710 --> 01:08:12.810
Cody Freeman: As far as what they need to hook up to

707
01:08:13.890 --> 01:08:19.470
Cody Freeman: Like walk just regular three three quarter inch waterline that we have to have a certain pressure rating.

708
01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:25.650
Lori Diver: We do send out or

709
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:27.810
Lori Diver: I should say the town does send out

710
01:08:29.910 --> 01:08:31.560
Lori Diver: an informational packet

711
01:08:31.620 --> 01:08:32.820
Lori Diver: To homeowners.

712
01:08:33.690 --> 01:08:46.290
Lori Diver: Usually that happens when construction is evident or construction is just just started on a project and obviously people are going to want to hook up. And so usually in

713
01:08:47.340 --> 01:08:50.310
Lori Diver: The beginning of the project, we sent out a full packet of information.

714
01:08:51.120 --> 01:08:51.900
Lori Diver: That contains

715
01:08:53.070 --> 01:08:54.090
Lori Diver: All the things that people

716
01:08:54.870 --> 01:08:55.830
13157277471: About how to hook up

717
01:08:56.730 --> 01:09:02.040
Lori Diver: The authorities application for services in their, their rules and regulations are in that packet and so

718
01:09:02.430 --> 01:09:08.100
Lori Diver: We tried to make that comprehensive enough so that people understand what they need to do what it's going to cost them.

719
01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:08.820
13157277471: To do that.

720
01:09:09.570 --> 01:09:10.380
Lori Diver: And they have

721
01:09:10.710 --> 01:09:12.150
Lori Diver: All the contact information for

722
01:09:12.150 --> 01:09:18.840
Lori Diver: People at the authority to ask questions as well. So, but that typically doesn't go out until the construction stage.

723
01:09:19.950 --> 01:09:21.960
Lori Diver: They have the one that typically include

724
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:25.170
13157277471: Engineering motor size waters services for each home now.

725
01:09:26.190 --> 01:09:34.080
Lori Diver: You know, will give you guidance on it from the water authorities perspective, if it's a residential house 95% of those are at

726
01:09:34.620 --> 01:09:38.700
Lori Diver: Three quarter inch meter with a one in service will know what the pressure is at the

727
01:09:38.700 --> 01:09:39.150
13157277471: Road.

728
01:09:39.870 --> 01:09:43.470
Lori Diver: If you're building a new house, chances are you've hired an engineer who will

729
01:09:43.650 --> 01:09:50.460
Lori Diver: Work the couch. But if there's a high elevation area and I don't know if we have any here, do you guys typically check the critical points.

730
01:09:50.880 --> 01:10:02.160
Lori Diver: We do have service areas in Arcadia, particularly where you get up on the high elevations, where the pressure might be marginal there it warrants and engineering investigation. But as far as sizing.

731
01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:04.050
Lori Diver: It's not

732
01:10:04.200 --> 01:10:07.260
Lori Diver: typically required beyond what what games we can give

733
01:10:07.830 --> 01:10:08.100
Or

734
01:10:11.970 --> 01:10:14.070
Lori Diver: Take Barclay agreement or pretty flat road.

735
01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:21.060
Lori Diver: Okay, anybody else.

736
01:10:22.890 --> 01:10:23.430
Galaxy Note9: Hello.

737
01:10:26.100 --> 01:10:30.450
Galaxy Note9: Hi I'm Lily Anderson. I live on 5932 Barclay road.

738
01:10:31.380 --> 01:10:34.470
Galaxy Note9: We moved in, in April and ever since then we've been

739
01:10:34.470 --> 01:10:35.490
Galaxy Note9: Fighting. Our well

740
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:38.340
13157277471: So I just want to say that I'm all for

741
01:10:38.340 --> 01:10:40.290
Galaxy Note9: It because we just recently, find out

742
01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:43.380
Galaxy Note9: We have bacteria problem in our well also.

743
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:45.900
Galaxy Note9: So the sooner the better in my opinion.

744
01:10:47.310 --> 01:10:51.990
Lori Diver: Okay, you'll be here will make your voice be heard when we send out our

745
01:10:52.410 --> 01:10:55.440
Lori Diver: Our check. So don't balance. I don't want to call them.

746
01:10:56.940 --> 01:10:57.660
13157277471: Surveys.

747
01:10:58.590 --> 01:11:01.200
Lori Diver: Which we sound like there's enough interest at

748
01:11:01.200 --> 01:11:01.500
Least

749
01:11:02.790 --> 01:11:03.690
On the three road.

750
01:11:04.710 --> 01:11:09.960
Lori Diver: Will feel we get back, and then we'll be in touch. Anybody else want to speak.

751
01:11:11.970 --> 01:11:12.690
13157277471: Yes, hello.

752
01:11:16.230 --> 01:11:21.390
13157277471: Sarah, we in and my husband and I own the salt smokehouse

753
01:11:22.530 --> 01:11:32.790
13157277471: Barclay road 6152 we received the letter in the mail. And I'm not sure if it's more of just an informative letter for us that we currently have.

754
01:11:33.900 --> 01:11:42.030
13157277471: The town water. We're hooked up. So I don't know if this is just an FYI, or if there's any implication or ramification for us that we should be aware of.

755
01:11:42.120 --> 01:11:44.310
Lori Diver: No, you're in between Ridge Road and what all four

756
01:11:44.310 --> 01:11:47.370
Lori Diver: And I think that already has water. So yeah, this, this is tricky. Yeah.

757
01:11:47.970 --> 01:11:49.320
Lori Diver: The other to the south side.

758
01:11:49.530 --> 01:11:50.910
13157277471: Sorry. Okay.

759
01:11:55.350 --> 01:11:55.890
Lori Diver: And the dinner.

760
01:11:57.060 --> 01:11:58.770
Lori Diver: Very nice dinner was excellent. Thank

761
01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:03.540
13157277471: Thank you.

762
01:12:05.940 --> 01:12:06.210
13157277471: Okay.

763
01:12:06.270 --> 01:12:07.200
Lori Diver: Anybody else

764
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:15.630
Lori Diver: Okay. I'd like to thank everybody for coming. We'll get the the balance or

765
01:12:16.590 --> 01:12:17.340
13157277471: Surveys.

766
01:12:17.940 --> 01:12:25.590
Lori Diver: In the mail and look forward to hear back from everyone, one way or another, and make your voice heard like voting already

767
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:28.260
Galaxy Note9: Thank you. Okay.

768
01:12:28.410 --> 01:12:29.310
15852612043: Thank you very much.

769
01:12:30.180 --> 01:12:30.570
Bruce Beal: Thank you.

770
01:12:31.200 --> 01:12:32.340
Lori Diver: Thanks, everybody, for coming.

771
01:12:35.040 --> 01:12:37.830
Lori Diver: He's got anything else you guys want. Okay, well,

772
01:12:39.300 --> 01:12:43.530
Lori Diver: For me, and from national meeting and we'll be in touch.

773
01:12:51.150 --> 01:12:56.970
Lori Diver: Okay, Chris. We make an emotional journey because I'm making more Lori, the boss says we need one.

774
01:12:57.420 --> 01:12:58.500
John Faulks: On fox, a second

775
01:13:01.380 --> 01:13:05.220
Lori Diver: Thought. Second thing, thank you flurries in the mood tonight.

776
01:13:06.870 --> 01:13:07.980
John Faulks: Tonight, everybody.

777
01:13:08.130 --> 01:13:10.290
John Faulks: Great job, I

778
01:13:10.770 --> 01:13:11.520
Lori Diver: Think you're what

779
01:13:12.270 --> 01:13:12.810
I