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What's going on, you guys?

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Welcome to Rabbit Holes and Dragon Tales
Episode two.

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I hope you guys are doing good
and staying hydrated.

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We had a lot of good feedback
on the last episode

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and this one
we were just kind of thinking about like,

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who are we
and what kind of stuff do we deal with?

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Because somebody said that,

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you know,
the episode was relatable to them

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and that they were going to share it with
their friends and everything like this.

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And they were like,
Finally, we're understood.

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So where are we coming from?

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I am coming from the area.

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I am Hikari of the Hawking system.

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I'm coming from an area of stuff
like ADHD.

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I have autism, I am a system.

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I fall under the OSDD1b classification

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of being a system,
which means I have altars in my body

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and I deal with this a lot.

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I have PTSD,

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OCD, a bunch of that alphabet stuff,
right?

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And so dealing with that on top of

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I am a trans person,
I have a very complicated life.

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I have a lot of things going on.

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And unfortunately it does

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cause me
to have a lot of stress and anxiety.

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And so we needed kind of an outlet
to talk about stuff like that.

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And with me
and my partner existing together,

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we have had layers of communication
and stuff and we still struggle.

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Like, we have a discord where we basically

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have a category and a channel
for about every thing

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you can think of, from household
to individual systems

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to general and random and fun stuff,
wholesome stuff, negative stuff. Like

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we do this because

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we are so genuinely spicy brain that

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if we didn't type it up somewhere
and didn't put it down somewhere,

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we forget it or it would never get worked

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on or adjusted and we even still struggle.

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So just to tell you
like there's a lot of complicated stuff

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going on in my own body and
my partner has a lot going on in his body.

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Right?

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Hi, It's Damien of the Broken Burrow System

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Yes, I have a lot of stuff
going on as well.

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I think I mentioned this in the intro
that we did,

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but I am a DiD system

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as well as I have autism, ADHD, OCD,

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mild schizo,

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oh fuck... schizoaffective disorder.

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Something along those fuckin lines, I don’t fuckin remember...

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I have a fuckton wrong with me.

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Uh, in a not, not, not funny way,
but in a ha ha.

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I'm trying to laugh.

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The pain off kinda way, but we do a good job,
you know, existing as people.

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At least we've made it this far.

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Somehow, by the good graces of all

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that is above
if you believe in that sort of thing.

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Yeah... And a lot of drugs

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Yeah.

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You got to do something... fuck, bro.

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Imagine what a therapist would say to us
that is used to dealing

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with neurotypicals.

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What is neurotypical? Yeah.

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Somebody that doesn't have ADHD or autism
and doesn't have traumas and,

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well, neurotypical is without

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all of that is the quote unquote normal.

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But like, okay,

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we use that to say

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basically not autistic and not ADHD,

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not ADHD, but like,
okay, neurotypical doesn't

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just mean that they don't have ADHD
and OCD and stuff like that.

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It also means
that they don't have other things

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such as narcissism
and that sort of thing, because like

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and like, it's so weird
how like people seem to have

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this like dialog of,

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like neurotypicals,
just like completely being heartless and,

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and disingenuous towards neurotypicals.

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But if that were really the case,
that would

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then mean
that neurotypicals lacked empathy,

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which is still a neuro divergence

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because a lack of empathy is not quote
unquote normal.

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That's still like there's one
literal word, a psychology

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psychological disorder
that causes a lack of empathy.

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In fact,
there's many that cause a lack of empathy.

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So if neurotypicals were really
that heartless

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and thus lacked the empathy,
then they would thus not be neurotypicals.

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So what you're saying is, is neurotypicals
probably

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don't exist. Mm.

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See that's, that's, that's a thought
that literally just I think that's like

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one of the first genuine high moment
thoughts I've ever had in my entire life.

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Just like, Hello. Hear me out?

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Yeah, but see, if you look at it that way,
then what that means is,

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is that most quote neurotypical people
just simply don't understand

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people that are coming from, quote,
Neurodivergent side, which is more extreme

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in the spectrum of things like ADHD, OCD,
autism, whatever.

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Well, that's what I mean is like,
what is neurotypical?

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So... what standard are we holding that to?

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I would say that it follows below

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the bar of extreme enough
to impact your daily life.

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I think that's the bar is if it doesn't,
if it doesn't negatively or

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significantly impact your day to day life,
you would be considered a neurotypical.

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Yeah. Okay, then let me ask you this.

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It doesn't mean that where that phrase
we're all a little bit autistic.

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Well, okay, so here's the other angle
to branch off of what you said.

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What bar is that being held to the does
it affect your life?

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Because I have been autistic
my entire life

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and I can look back on moments
and be like, huh,

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I went through that
because I am this or this or this

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that I now know that I am
that I didn't back then.

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Yeah, but because I did it know back then

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it didn't affect me as much because

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especially like the way that I was raised
personally, no joke.

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My parents raised me thinking everything
going on with my with

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my body was normal, was not a big deal,
was not something to cry over.

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That counts for weird pains
that I had, that counts

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for things that my brain did that
I didn't understand.

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That counts for my lack of friends.

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That counts for my fucking my
my parents told me

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that my peanut allergy was fine.

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Like for anyone that doesn't know
I am allergic to peanuts.

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And I only found that out
a small handful of years ago

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because my entire life when I had peanut
butter and jelly sandwiches

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and my chest got tight, I would tell
my mom, Hey, my chest is tight.

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And *coughs* it's it's
like the slightest bit harder to swallow.

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And like, my throat is kind of itchy
and she's straight up now.

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You're fine. Just drink some milk.
It's fine. It's fine.

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You're fine.

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Just. Just cover it up. It's cool.

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I legit did not know that
I was allergic to peanuts

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until I was 24, 24, 23.

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And I was like, I had a really bad
coughing fit, and my chest got tight

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and like, my at the time boyfriend, my now
ex, he was like, Hey, you okay?

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And I was like, Yeah,
my chest is just kind of, you know, tight.

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Like, like, you know, like after Peanuts,

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he whipped around so fast
because he was sitting in front of me.

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We were watching TV.

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He turned around.

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So fast.

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He’s like, Baby,
is that what happens to you?

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Right? Are you okay?

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Yeah.

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No, just, you know,
when you eat peanut butter and, like,

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it kind of sticks and it.

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And it makes your chest hurt.

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That's

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that's not.

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That's. Why are you eating peanuts?

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He was so baffled,
but he was so baffled by it. And,

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yeah, my whole life did not know that.

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And because I did not know that
after I drank milk, I convinced myself

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I was fucking fine and was quote unquote
fine.

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Like there was still shit wrong with me.

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But because I was under like the mindset

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of Everything's fine, it's fine.

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Nothing affected me
the way that it probably should have.

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Yeah.

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So the like, the ignorance is bliss
kind of applied there, huh?

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Kind of, yeah.

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So like, if that is the case,

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was I neurotypical growing up
and now am neurodiverse.

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Well, no.

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See that's where masking and like
literally disregarding your own stuff

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a lot of times is caused by the
environment and who you're raised around

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and their level of knowledge.

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Like if they don't know what the answer is
and they're not really generally

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concerned about it
and they would probably say

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something along the lines of it's
fine, don't worry about it.

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Like that happens all the time.

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Okay, So just out of curiosity,
I googled or rather

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I “binged” neurotypical versus Neurodivergent

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neurotypical, describes
someone with typical

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neurological development
who thinks and processes information

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in typical in ways typical
within their culture.

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Neurodivergent refers to individuals
whose neurological development

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and functioning are atypical, diverse,

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or a deviation from what is considered
standard.

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Not to mention,
the developmental milestones

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are at different points
for Neurodivergent versus neurotypical.

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Well, yeah,
there's there's definitely way more

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that goes into it
that it's just like the basics.

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Answer Yeah, but like still though,
that doesn't clear

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define
like that's, that's, that defines neuro...

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Ness.. In the same vague

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ways as horoscope stuff does,

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especially when
using those specific definitions.

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Someone who is neurotypical
to their specific culture or region.

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Like if we're comparing,
if we're just talking about how

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somebody is risen
and whether they fit into the social

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norms, whether they think like everybody,
whether they do things like everybody,

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if we're just comparing them
to everyone around them, then everyone is

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neurotypical slash neurodiverse
compared to anybody else, you know.

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And the best part about it is that's
why it's always called a spectrum.

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Everybody is is actually somewhere
on a spectrum.

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It depends on which spikes
stand out the most as to

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whether that's something that, again,
that affects their daily life.

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For example, auditory processing, verbal
processing, somebody could say something.

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And it sounds like a completely different
word to me.

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And it happens a lot of time

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when you're talking to me,
you'll say something and you'll be like “Hey...”

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this and this,
and I'll turn and be like, What?

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What did you just say to me?

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What the alien milked sasha?

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What?

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So you know that you said printer, right?

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So God,

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Shout out to vine... *laughter* for real though,
but like, okay, something else

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that's significant impacts
my daily life is executive dysfunction.

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Whereas when you're so absorbed
trying to the best way

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I've seen it described was
somebody used one of these.

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If you envision
since you don't have a visual here,

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if you envision a ballpoint
pen would be considered a neurotypical,

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you take the cap off, you have one pen
you write out, you have one task

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you can do and you can do
this one task and focus on it.

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And then the the executive
dysfunction brain or maybe the ADHD brain

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is kind of like one of those pens
that has ten or

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yeah, ten or 12 colors.

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And we're sitting here going, okay, well,
we got to do take out the trash well,

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We got to mow the lawn. Well,

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we got to think about packing our bags
so we can go to the store.

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We have all these different thoughts
that take up different colors,

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and then we try to open them all up
at the same time.

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And it will not go out
because all of them are trying to share

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the same output, the same path.

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And so we run into executive dysfunction
where we cannot actually

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get a task done that we would
normally be able to get done.

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And that's where it impacts
my daily life, too.

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You know, like I try to get dishes done
every single day,

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but sometimes they sit for a little while.

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In fact, in the past, when it was worse,
it used to turn into a science experiment.

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I'm so glad that we switch off dishes
the way that we do,

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because then, like,
we don't we don't have any set schedule.

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We don't like get on to each other
about the dishes because we both we,

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when it comes to chores around the house,
like we both understand

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that the other is like
going through their own fucking struggles.

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So like we do
little things to help the other.

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Such as?

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Like for her,
she has a PDA where if you tell her like,

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go do this,
her automatic like brain response

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is “The fuck I am.” right,
and it's not even a choice.

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My brain
literally just turns off function.

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Yeah, it's like a resistor.

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Like if you if you are too demanding,
if you are to give me, then.

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Then she definitely has a pool.

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So in order to not trigger PDA,

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instead of saying like,
Hey, I really want to do this,

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or Hey, you should go do this, or Hey,

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like, let's go do this.

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I will instead.

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Like, what works really good
is whenever you say things like, Hey,

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you don't have to, but like,
it'd be really cool if <blank>.

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Yeah, which is ironic
because that's something

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that I've said my whole life
and I don't know why.

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I don't know what started that.

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But everyone, almost everyone would get
so pissed off around me like, no joke.

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My parents, my stepdad especially,

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he would get on my ass
if I would say anything

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along the lines of like, Well,
I don't know, you don't have to.

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But like,
if I hesitated at all, he would be like,

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Just answer the fucking question or
ask the fucking question like he he was.

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So get to the point. Yeah, that

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and that

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demanding just makes it harder and harder
to answer a question.

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Sometimes too... it really does.

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Gah... That's that's the other point
I was going to make too.

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Like to take it back
to the neurotypical versus neurodiverse

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just really quick I what made me think of
that was the fact like earlier

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I had this thought that's kind of been
echoing up in this fucking skull.

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I had a thought
because I saw some comments on a video

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and I was like, Damn,
It seems like nowadays anyone

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who is an asshole
online thing is labeled neurotypical.

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Like it seems like society
has warped the word neurotypical

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to mean heartless person
who doesn't understand.

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Yeah.

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Which again like that
that like echoed around and echoed around

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until legit like right before
I said anything like it clicked like that

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the assholes quote
unquote the assholes out there typically

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tend to be narcissists,
which is Neurodivergent.

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Yeah.

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And see, that's the other thing it
what makes a narcissist So like

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I don't know they're not inherently bad
is it's really what they choose to do

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that makes it like good or bad.

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But like it's been my experience that
dealing with somebody who is narcissistic,

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the thing that really stands out
the most is the lack of empathy.

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And that's where they get called
like an asshole or something like that,

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because they're

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they're showing a lack of empathy,
which yeah, not everybody has empathy.

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Yeah.

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Because like, if you know, someone says

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some kind of naive comment,

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you know, on the Internet
and somebody else is like, Wow, you're

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such an asshole for saying that,

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then either that person was an asshole
to be malicious,

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in which case there's probably
something going on because normal people

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don't just act out maliciously
for no fucking reason or

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they didn't mean to be malicious,
in which case

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they probably like
depending on the situation.

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Obviously like might have lacked
the empathy which again is neurodivergent

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like it's loose, like constant loop
that I'm stuck in now of like

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what even is neuro neurotypical ness?

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What, what is the standard?

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I would say
the standard again, falls back to

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if they're like mental condition,
if you will, does not like severely

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or negatively impact their day to day life
or those around them for that matter.

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Because, okay, if you go by the textbook

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narcissistic definition, they don't
really care about those around them.

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So therefore, it doesn't technically
affect the narcissist with their behavior.

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But it does
it does in its own way, like whenever

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they cause harm to those around them,
for example, inadvertently or on purpose,

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then there's a negative feedback there
which fuels them

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into other types of negative behavior. So,

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oh, it's such a complicated thing.

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Mental health, isn't it?

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It really is.

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Especially if you add on that
that's only one singular thing

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of all the things that are going on
and somebody is head

00:19:10:01 - 00:19:13:21
cause yeah,
there's labels and there's a lot of like

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different definitions for said labels, but
those are things that are so predominant

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and so common that there has to be a label
and a category for it.

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So you can be like, okay,

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well you kind of know
what we're dealing with,

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but then there's so much stuff
that has no category at all

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that just kind of exists
in the human condition.

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And it's yeah, like that's
what I mean is like what,

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what is

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normal versus not

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what is a normal level of ADHD and autism?

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Like if, if everyone truly is

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a touch of everything thing,

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then that means that there is a standard,

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quote unquote amount of neuro diverse

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that you can be to still be considered

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neurotypical to your local area.

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That'd be almost like high
masking autistics

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would be considered neurotypical
until they stop masking.

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Right?

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Exactly. That's my point.

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Like, at what point?

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Is that line drawn?

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like it's it's it's throwing me for such
a fucking loop... I think I think

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I think it

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really is ultimately the line where,

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okay, this is impacting people around you
and it's impacting you and all of that.

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I think that would be the line.

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Now if commenters have anything different,
like you can always leave us a comment.

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We do check those, by the way.

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We do. We see all the lovely comments.

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Thank you all for the support
on our last episode, by the way, also,

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it has been long enough
that you should hydrate at this point.

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If you've been listening to our stream
for a second,

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we will edit out our gulping noises
and whatnot.

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The last thing you said being

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or whatever is like doesn't impact them

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or those around them again,
because it's culture based,

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does that mean that that person is now
neuro diverse if they move?

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Yeah, that's a good question.

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They if they stand out and are atypical
of the environment they're in.

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Yeah, probably.

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Especially when you consider like God

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our entire lives like especially depending
on where you live.

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I lived in a not great part of town
most of my life.

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I mean, granted I moved around a lot,

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but I moved around
mostly in the not so great parts of Texas.

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So maybe it was just the area
that I was in,

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but my whole life exchanged.

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Students were made
fun of for how weird they were

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and how weird their cultures were
and how weird

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their foods were
and how weird their dress was.

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That's not a new thing.

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So if you consider neurotypical versus
neurodiverseness

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to be a cultural thing?

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A peer?

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Yeah, a peer comparative thing.

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Then does simply moving
to a different country

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and standing out a little bit make
you suddenly neurotypical or neurodiverse?

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I mean, again, that's neurological.

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So like if you're behaviors
and patterns are different.

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Yeah, probably.

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Now if you were to adapt
in the ways of a cultural blending

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maybe where you like,
you start adapting with the local

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traditions
and the dress and the stuff like that.

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Physically
you would be like physio normal,

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but neurotypical would be your way of
thinking

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is different and your way of processing
information is different.

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So yeah, you would still be neurodiverse
to the area you're in

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even if you were to like adopt the local
cultures, which is again masking.

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So we do that all the time
as autistics and ADHD people.

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Like we mask a lot of our stuff,
like the inattentiveness

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by going sorry,
I got distracted or whatever

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without really trying
to give too much attention to it.

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Another thing just to like kind of

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flip the the Venn diagram,

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if you will, kind of reverse
the circles at work point.

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Does neurodiverse
ness become neurotypical ness

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like.. okay...  neurodiverseness,
people who think different?

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You and I think differently
because we are different people,

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but we share a lot of the same

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like mental afflictions, if you will.

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If there were enough people like us,

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if there were enough autistic people,

00:24:01:14 - 00:24:04:23
if the percentage of autistic versus

00:24:04:23 - 00:24:08:15
non autistic
people was suddenly much greater,

00:24:08:18 - 00:24:13:09
would that mean
that autistic people are now neurotypical?

00:24:13:15 - 00:24:16:24
I mean, maybe within our own group,
Like by that logic,

00:24:16:26 - 00:24:21:04
you and I would be neurotypicals
of this house because our we're

00:24:21:07 - 00:24:24:08
typically the same in a lot of ways. Yeah.

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But the way it's generally used
is that see

00:24:28:16 - 00:24:32:20
like we're compared to our country
and our like state.

00:24:32:22 - 00:24:37:08
I feel like a lot of the things
that are used with Neurodiverse

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kind of hit a broader side of people
rather than more local.

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That's where the toxic stuff
like high functioning, low functioning

00:24:45:18 - 00:24:47:01
labels come into play.

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Like there's a lot of people

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that still use functioning labels
because they see like,

00:24:53:12 - 00:24:59:06
okay, if your autism doesn't affect you
to the point to where you're nonverbal,

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majority of the time,
regardless of situation,

00:25:03:26 - 00:25:06:22
then you would be considered,
quote, high functioning.

00:25:06:22 - 00:25:12:04
But if you're mostly nonverbal
and your processing is significantly

00:25:12:04 - 00:25:14:20
maybe lower or different
than somebody else,

00:25:14:20 - 00:25:18:16
then you would be considered
low functioning even despite the fact

00:25:18:16 - 00:25:20:05
that that's not even a real thing,

00:25:20:05 - 00:25:23:27
like functioning labels are toxic
and harmful to autistic people.

00:25:23:28 - 00:25:26:19
Very much so yes. So

00:25:26:21 - 00:25:27:06
in that

00:25:27:06 - 00:25:31:16
regard, that's in a similar
way, is like, okay,

00:25:31:16 - 00:25:37:00
you and I are definitely neurodiverse
compared to the majority of the country

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because outside of our own little bubble
and social circle,

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most people can wake
up, brush their teeth, get dressed,

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get a shower, or go to work and come home
and have energy to say, watch a movie

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and get a meal and cook their breakfast,
lunch and dinner.

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They can do all of these things

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without being exhausted by it
or even really think about it,

00:26:00:24 - 00:26:04:06
because.. Meanwhile I haven't done a single thing
on that list today.

00:26:04:10 - 00:26:06:02
That’s fair...
Not a single one.

00:26:06:02 - 00:26:11:23
And a lot of times this is the real
funny thing with, quote, neurotypicals.

00:26:11:25 - 00:26:13:17
It's automatic.

00:26:13:17 - 00:26:17:17
If you ask them like, Hey, do you ever
have to think about brushing your teeth?

00:26:17:18 - 00:26:20:00
Or like, No, not really.

00:26:20:00 - 00:26:22:21
I just do it and I just do it.

00:26:22:21 - 00:26:27:04
That that right there,
the underlying statement, they just do it.

00:26:27:04 - 00:26:30:04
It's not I have to think about this.

00:26:30:07 - 00:26:34:08
So just as a side note,
like if anybody's reached this far

00:26:34:08 - 00:26:38:23
and we we do have a very busy schedule,
so we're going to try to release

00:26:38:25 - 00:26:40:23
probably every other Friday.

00:26:40:23 - 00:26:45:04
But quite frankly,
there is no guarantee of that either.

00:26:45:07 - 00:26:47:26
I love you...
I love you, too.

00:26:47:26 - 00:26:49:23
Oh, that's another thing.

00:26:49:23 - 00:26:51:28
Do neurotypicals ever deal with echolalia??

00:26:51:28 - 00:26:55:11
I don't think I've ever met a neurotypical

00:26:55:11 - 00:27:01:12
that just mimics the sounds and
and speeches and little things.

00:27:01:15 - 00:27:04:10
Well at that point like it's

00:27:04:10 - 00:27:08:23
a similar like sorry to point it out again
but it's similar

00:27:08:23 - 00:27:11:23
like question of where's the bar?
because like

00:27:12:00 - 00:27:15:18
a bunch of people will randomly,
you know, whistle down

00:27:15:18 - 00:27:20:08
while walking down the sidewalk
or will hum a bar as they're working.

00:27:20:08 - 00:27:24:09
I kind of avoid people just whistling
while they're walking down the sidewalk

00:27:24:09 - 00:27:28:16
because that gives me an air of
you're a way too happy about something.

00:27:28:18 - 00:27:32:29
And not that there's anything wrong
with being happy, but like, I don't know.

00:27:32:29 - 00:27:34:07
Do you ever Do you see what I mean?

00:27:34:07 - 00:27:37:26
Like, it gives a whole tiptoe
through the tulips kind of.

00:27:37:28 - 00:27:38:25
I mean, kind of.

00:27:38:25 - 00:27:43:16
But I was more thinking like the scene
that popped in my head immediately was

00:27:43:17 - 00:27:53:05
Lady and the Tramp, the animated one, Jim
Darling, Walking down like the sidewalk. *Proceeds to whistle*

00:27:53:07 - 00:27:54:20
Yeah,

00:27:54:20 - 00:27:58:18
like, just like that used to be a way
more common thing.

00:27:58:18 - 00:28:02:12
Apparently people whistled like all the fucking time...
I think probably back to people were also less

00:28:02:12 - 00:28:05:19
aware of what was going on in the world.

00:28:05:21 - 00:28:06:21
I mean, that's food.

00:28:06:21 - 00:28:09:18
But like, at that point, was everyone
fucking again?

00:28:09:18 - 00:28:11:21
Was everyone autistic?

00:28:11:21 - 00:28:15:06
Everyone who fucking whistled ever on
the sidewalk is autistic.

00:28:15:09 - 00:28:17:19
I mean, there's a lot of people
that would say that

00:28:17:19 - 00:28:21:22
everybody is a little bit autistic
and I don't know, like, not that we are...

00:28:21:22 - 00:28:23:16
By the way, just a disclaimer.

00:28:23:16 - 00:28:28:06
We are not the kind of people to be like,
Everyone's a little autistic,

00:28:28:14 - 00:28:34:01
but like, just thinking about it
psychologically, unpacking it, unpacking

00:28:34:01 - 00:28:37:03
it, trying to figure out, like, are

00:28:37:03 - 00:28:40:05
we all like, are we question mark?

00:28:40:05 - 00:28:42:27
Where again, where is the bar?

00:28:42:27 - 00:28:46:23
That's all I'm wondering is
where is the bar?

00:28:46:23 - 00:28:49:10
Who exactly are you

00:28:49:10 - 00:28:53:22
And I being compared to? the other thing

00:28:53:22 - 00:28:59:12
to think about in our
situation and maybe... and by who?

00:28:59:14 - 00:29:02:15
Yeah, because that's another thing
who is judging us

00:29:02:18 - 00:29:07:20
and who is telling us how different we are
compared to this other person society

00:29:07:20 - 00:29:13:12
at large, really more like, I guess
more like a kind of a general consensus.

00:29:13:15 - 00:29:18:01
Like, okay, so again
then it's just a social standard and yeah,

00:29:18:02 - 00:29:21:09
to neurotypical or neurodiverse
in any fucking place

00:29:21:12 - 00:29:24:29
in that case I identify
as a neurotypical in this house.

00:29:24:29 - 00:29:28:11
Oh yeah, I'm fine.

00:29:28:11 - 00:29:29:06
It's fine.

00:29:29:06 - 00:29:35:20
Everything’s fine...
this is now the neurotypical household

00:29:35:22 - 00:29:36:02
shit.

00:29:36:02 - 00:29:40:27
But like, okay, compared to the majority,
the other layer of things

00:29:40:27 - 00:29:44:10
that we're dealing with that
most people don't deal with

00:29:44:10 - 00:29:47:15
and maybe some of our listeners
deal with this also,

00:29:47:15 - 00:29:52:26
maybe not is being systems
because that is another layer,

00:29:52:26 - 00:29:57:14
which is, you don't have to
be autistic to be a system.

00:29:57:17 - 00:30:00:07
It is
more common in people who are autistic

00:30:00:07 - 00:30:02:28
because they're more prone
to being traumatized.

00:30:02:28 - 00:30:07:07
But but that's again, only like something

00:30:07:07 - 00:30:11:07
that's extra, DiD or OCD or other

00:30:11:07 - 00:30:15:18
types of systems can exist,
you know, separate from that.

00:30:15:18 - 00:30:18:27
So that is another layer that we deal
with, like

00:30:18:27 - 00:30:21:27
with with me and my system.

00:30:21:28 - 00:30:25:26
I only am aware that I'm switched out

00:30:25:26 - 00:30:30:22
and things like are happening without me
making the main decision, me, Hikari

00:30:30:22 - 00:30:35:19
Because it, it's

00:30:35:21 - 00:30:39:10
kind of like
I am aware that this thing happened

00:30:39:10 - 00:30:43:18
when I come back to the front,
but I didn't choose to do those things.

00:30:43:18 - 00:30:45:02
They were not my actions.

00:30:45:02 - 00:30:47:02
I didn't will it into being.

00:30:47:02 - 00:30:48:22
It just kind of happened.

00:30:48:22 - 00:30:52:10
And then when I come back to it, I'm like,
I'm vaguely aware that it happened

00:30:52:10 - 00:30:57:04
until I get what's called like a download
where my brain kind of plays

00:30:57:04 - 00:31:01:19
catch up and rewind
and that's another layer, you know, that

00:31:01:19 - 00:31:04:19
that pretty significantly impacts
my daily life.

00:31:04:19 - 00:31:08:06
So like that, that's the other thing
that's different

00:31:08:08 - 00:31:11:20
for us
is neuro diverse versus neurotypical.

00:31:11:20 - 00:31:18:00
This is being a system which comes
from PTSD and or cPTSD and such like that.

00:31:18:00 - 00:31:21:02
The other thing is
we were talking about the age

00:31:21:02 - 00:31:24:24
of formation of a system and stuff
like that being a lot different

00:31:24:24 - 00:31:30:03
than what's commonly accepted
because like we've run into systems

00:31:30:03 - 00:31:34:26
who are clearly systems,
who obviously are like genuinely

00:31:34:28 - 00:31:37:25
not faking it,
they're they're really a system.

00:31:37:25 - 00:31:41:15
And that this was formed much younger

00:31:41:18 - 00:31:45:03
than the age
or even later than the age range.

00:31:45:03 - 00:31:48:03
We were having this discussion
the other day like about

00:31:48:09 - 00:31:51:06
questioning the age
that you can become the system.

00:31:51:06 - 00:31:51:23
Yeah.

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And whether there are people like
Born as systems or not.

00:31:55:21 - 00:31:57:11
Yeah.

00:31:57:13 - 00:31:59:13
Which by the way, just to

00:31:59:13 - 00:32:03:18
get it out there,
we, throughout this podcast.

00:32:03:18 - 00:32:06:15
We have been diagnosed
with a number of things.

00:32:06:15 - 00:32:11:09
However, we are still learning a lot
about a bunch of different things

00:32:11:09 - 00:32:14:29
and we probably will get some stuff wrong

00:32:14:29 - 00:32:18:23
and we might get some terminology wrong
because we don't know everything.

00:32:18:28 - 00:32:21:07
The best thing you can do is research.

00:32:21:07 - 00:32:23:26
Yes, best you can do is research.

00:32:23:26 - 00:32:27:19
And just again, remember that
these are our own experiences.

00:32:27:21 - 00:32:31:16
And if we do say something because what we
we are just again,

00:32:31:16 - 00:32:35:15
going off of our own experiences
alone in our own researches.

00:32:35:18 - 00:32:38:18
So if we happen to say something wrong,

00:32:38:21 - 00:32:41:21
please be kind and just let us know.

00:32:41:21 - 00:32:46:05
Hey, by the way, you said this thing and

00:32:46:07 - 00:32:46:22
according

00:32:46:22 - 00:32:49:23
to this source here,
that might be a little incorrect.

00:32:49:23 - 00:32:51:21
Can you please correct this?

00:32:51:21 - 00:32:53:19
And we will be like, Yeah, okay, sure.

00:32:53:19 - 00:32:54:26
We'll double fact check that.

00:32:54:26 - 00:32:55:29
We'll get it settled.

00:32:55:29 - 00:32:58:06
That that's something else
that I've noticed

00:32:58:06 - 00:33:02:12
is that the people who are quote,
neurodiverse tend to be more accepting

00:33:02:12 - 00:33:06:07
of change
and more willing to accept newer,

00:33:06:07 - 00:33:10:28
more accurate information
readily versus trying to argue the point.

00:33:11:01 - 00:33:14:28
You know, we will argue our stance
if we have supporting evidence,

00:33:14:28 - 00:33:15:29
but it's easy

00:33:15:29 - 00:33:20:11
enough for us to take new information
and go, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

00:33:20:13 - 00:33:25:23
Whereas a lot of quote neurotypicals
that I have personally experienced

00:33:25:25 - 00:33:28:22
tend to be more reluctant
to accept new information

00:33:28:22 - 00:33:33:21
or they seem quotes like set in their ways
kind of.

00:33:33:23 - 00:33:37:03
So that was just something else
that has occurred to me.

00:33:37:09 - 00:33:41:26
But again, in my own experience
and not a professional opinion

00:33:41:26 - 00:33:42:24
or anything like that,

00:33:42:24 - 00:33:45:27
you know, again, we're just kind of
talking about our existence.

00:33:45:27 - 00:33:49:18
So there is no real rock
solid way of viewing things.

00:33:49:18 - 00:33:53:04
This just this is what our take is on it
and what we've experienced.

00:33:53:04 - 00:33:56:11
So that being said,

00:33:56:13 - 00:34:00:17
we have kind of like brainstormed
and just kind of like had philosophical

00:34:00:19 - 00:34:04:09
discussions about like when ish

00:34:04:14 - 00:34:09:09
a system can be
formed because like it almost

00:34:09:11 - 00:34:11:14
went into an argument

00:34:11:14 - 00:34:15:06
because we had different information

00:34:15:09 - 00:34:18:19
and we like both
had to take a step back and be like, okay,

00:34:18:21 - 00:34:22:07
this person isn’t arguing with me
because they think I'm wrong.

00:34:22:08 - 00:34:26:20
This person is arguing with me
because they have different information.

00:34:26:22 - 00:34:29:22
Take a step back, breathe. Okay.

00:34:29:25 - 00:34:33:28
So the research that I had done
had led me to believe,

00:34:34:00 - 00:34:38:03
like systems could only be formed
between like the ages of,

00:34:38:03 - 00:34:42:11
I want to say, like seven
and 12 or something like that

00:34:42:13 - 00:34:45:03
for like DiD specifically.

00:34:45:03 - 00:34:49:12
And she said that like, no,

00:34:49:12 - 00:34:53:10
I think you can like form systems

00:34:53:10 - 00:34:59:01
as late as like 25 or that there is no age
limit even

00:34:59:03 - 00:35:02:10
and that there is no like minimum age
and all this stuff.

00:35:02:10 - 00:35:07:22
And I was like, that's incorrect, my love,
because of this and this, this.

00:35:07:22 - 00:35:09:20
And she was like... uhhh

00:35:09:22 - 00:35:11:15
actually

00:35:11:15 - 00:35:16:07
like, like not to disagree,
but this, this and this.. I had found

00:35:16:13 - 00:35:20:29
I had found a couple of college papers
that were peer reviewed,

00:35:20:29 - 00:35:24:00
and I tried to find those articles again,

00:35:24:00 - 00:35:27:06
but it has been long enough
that I couldn't readily find them.

00:35:27:06 - 00:35:31:17
So if anybody wants to
to find this information,

00:35:31:19 - 00:35:36:19
I'm hoping it's still out there and
available where they were talking about

00:35:36:21 - 00:35:39:15
where an older person had developed

00:35:39:15 - 00:35:43:00
a system, despite the fact
that they had never experienced trauma

00:35:43:00 - 00:35:47:20
and were having zero signs of a system
throughout their lives.

00:35:47:22 - 00:35:50:13
The other side of that coin
is, is my system

00:35:50:13 - 00:35:54:19
was actually formed much younger
than the age range

00:35:54:21 - 00:35:58:09
because of the trauma that I experienced
that I'm not really quite

00:35:58:09 - 00:36:02:16
ready to share yet,
but it impacted me enough

00:36:02:19 - 00:36:06:28
that I was aware
that I was not alone in my head.

00:36:07:00 - 00:36:09:14
Much younger than the age range.

00:36:09:14 - 00:36:13:06
And so between
those two pieces of information,

00:36:13:06 - 00:36:17:20
I had kind of formed the opinion, again,
my own opinion,

00:36:17:22 - 00:36:22:28
that I don't know
that there is an actual age restriction

00:36:22:28 - 00:36:27:03
on becoming a system,
although one thing is for certain,

00:36:27:06 - 00:36:31:15
you're not just automatically a system
like that's something that we did agree

00:36:31:15 - 00:36:36:16
on, is that you're just you're not
what's called an endogenic system

00:36:36:16 - 00:36:41:29
where that goes into a whole nother
like type of an argument that people have.

00:36:42:01 - 00:36:47:10
But the reason I say this
is because there are people in the world

00:36:47:10 - 00:36:51:16
who remember their birth, and that can be
a very traumatic experience

00:36:51:16 - 00:36:54:18
and likely is pretty traumatic
for most everybody.

00:36:54:18 - 00:36:56:24
And that's why it's forgotten.

00:36:56:24 - 00:37:01:00
So I'm of the opinion
that if you're a system

00:37:01:00 - 00:37:05:18
basically from birth, it's
because you were traumatized by the birth.

00:37:05:18 - 00:37:08:25
And that's that's an opinion, mind
you, based off

00:37:08:25 - 00:37:12:01
of like just study
and things like that that I've read.

00:37:12:01 - 00:37:14:21
So if I'm wrong there,
I will totally accept that I'm wrong.

00:37:14:21 - 00:37:19:28
But just kind of an opinion of mine
on the formation.

00:37:20:01 - 00:37:23:08
And like we
we had talked about this the other day

00:37:23:08 - 00:37:29:16
and like the more we talked about it,
the more I halfway agree with that

00:37:29:16 - 00:37:36:10
and still do because like the more
I think about it DiD and OSDD

00:37:36:12 - 00:37:40:00
they are like personality

00:37:40:02 - 00:37:46:03
slash dissociation disorders, right.

00:37:46:06 - 00:37:48:12
And like I I'm

00:37:48:12 - 00:37:52:07
with the research that I have done
since then

00:37:52:09 - 00:37:56:24
since that conversation because I did
do a smidge, little more digging into it.

00:37:56:27 - 00:38:00:23
Mind you, not a whole lot of spoons
and time lately, but

00:38:00:26 - 00:38:01:27
still a little bit of digging.

00:38:01:27 - 00:38:05:03
And from what I have gathered, it's

00:38:05:03 - 00:38:08:27
my opinion that, like typically

00:38:09:00 - 00:38:12:00
it is between those ages.

00:38:12:06 - 00:38:17:15
And again, kind of like I said that night
if it is paired with other things

00:38:17:21 - 00:38:20:15
such as like PTSD,

00:38:20:15 - 00:38:25:14
if you go through something
that traumatic later in life, I like,

00:38:25:14 - 00:38:29:23
I don't see why a personality disorder
may form.

00:38:29:23 - 00:38:33:07
I mean, things like narcissism and stuff
like that can form

00:38:33:07 - 00:38:37:09
in the blink of an eye due to something
traumatic later in life.

00:38:37:11 - 00:38:40:23
I wonder how many returning veterans
that have experienced

00:38:40:23 - 00:38:44:15
a lot of trauma overseas or in like combat

00:38:44:22 - 00:38:47:24
have experienced a system or some type

00:38:47:24 - 00:38:52:02
of dissociative stuff, especially
when it comes to that sort of thing?

00:38:52:02 - 00:38:57:03
Because like another thing
about a personality disorder, specifically

00:38:57:06 - 00:39:01:28
a personality disorder isn’t your brain
making little friends.

00:39:01:28 - 00:39:05:21
It isn’t company, it is your brain

00:39:05:23 - 00:39:09:16
trying to mask itself so hard

00:39:09:18 - 00:39:15:11
to protect itself
and you from whatever is happening

00:39:15:13 - 00:39:18:18
that you literally basically

00:39:18:18 - 00:39:21:18
form this concrete mask.

00:39:21:22 - 00:39:25:26
You know, the way of kind of
say it slightly different.

00:39:25:26 - 00:39:30:19
I've always been the opinion of it's
your brain's self defense mechanism

00:39:30:19 - 00:39:35:29
to shield part of you and create a entity
that can handle

00:39:35:29 - 00:39:39:12
that situation that is strong enough
to handle that situation.

00:39:39:12 - 00:39:42:12
So your brain makes somebody
that can handle it.

00:39:42:13 - 00:39:42:25
Yeah.

00:39:42:25 - 00:39:46:16
Like, yeah, that's
what I meant by the mask, is like

00:39:46:16 - 00:39:52:19
Literally your alters aren’t just
little friends inside your head.

00:39:52:19 - 00:39:54:04
They aren't just little characters.

00:39:54:04 - 00:39:55:22
They serve a role

00:39:55:22 - 00:39:58:06
They are protectors.

00:39:58:06 - 00:39:58:26
They ser..

00:39:58:26 - 00:40:01:26
Yeah. Like you said, they serve roles

00:40:01:28 - 00:40:05:29
and they are like,
usually for specific purposes.

00:40:05:29 - 00:40:10:29
So if you go through something
traumatic later in life,

00:40:11:02 - 00:40:15:29
especially like a fucking war zone,

00:40:16:01 - 00:40:19:16
having to do something that drastic,

00:40:19:16 - 00:40:22:16
especially for like the men

00:40:22:16 - 00:40:26:06
and, the women in previous wars

00:40:26:09 - 00:40:31:05
that were forced into it,
being forced into something like that

00:40:31:05 - 00:40:36:02
I think could definitely cause
a literal split in your personality.

00:40:36:09 - 00:40:39:00
It could form a sort of system.

00:40:39:00 - 00:40:44:24
Now, I am not 100% sure
if that would be the same

00:40:44:27 - 00:40:47:15
as DiD specifically or

00:40:47:15 - 00:40:51:27
if those would be under that umbrella
term of OSDD

00:40:52:01 - 00:40:56:00
Other specified dissociation disorder.

00:40:56:03 - 00:40:58:14
But I do think

00:40:58:14 - 00:41:02:15
like my opinion
has been changed of personality disorders.

00:41:02:15 - 00:41:05:15
Can definitely, I think, be formed

00:41:05:15 - 00:41:08:15
way later in life
than we originally thought.

00:41:08:21 - 00:41:12:00
That makes a lot more sense, which is why

00:41:12:00 - 00:41:16:12
at this point we're using our voices
and our experiences

00:41:16:12 - 00:41:20:04
to talk about what
it's like living with this type of stuff.

00:41:20:04 - 00:41:23:14
So you know, something
just to think about.

00:41:23:14 - 00:41:26:05
Like there's
we're always trying to improve ourselves,

00:41:26:05 - 00:41:30:14
which is a good sign to hydrate
and take care of yourselves.

00:41:30:14 - 00:41:33:03
And if you haven't eaten today,
you know, do that

00:41:33:03 - 00:41:38:25
because we tend to forget these things,
especially when listening to longer videos

00:41:38:28 - 00:41:42:06
and or if you're the type
to doomscroll sometimes.

00:41:42:09 - 00:41:46:16
Okay,
So just to kind of get toward a closing

00:41:46:18 - 00:41:47:20
another side of

00:41:47:20 - 00:41:51:14
neurodiverse is we have
what's called spoon theory.

00:41:51:17 - 00:41:57:06
And I personally have reached the end of
my spoonage for talking about subjects.

00:41:57:06 - 00:42:01:04
And so this is where I'm going
to have to say goodnight

00:42:01:04 - 00:42:04:11
to everybody and I hope you have
a really great day and stay hydrated.

00:42:04:15 - 00:42:07:23
We will talk about spoons
next episode

00:42:07:24 - 00:42:10:19
Hope y’all have a good day.
Eat something, drink something.

00:42:10:19 - 00:42:11:22
Take care of yourselves.

00:42:11:22 - 00:42:13:18
Have a great night, Byyeeeeee